Going strictly from memory without aid of drawings or photos just plain experience on the cars…… Those cars with lockers seemed to among the oldest cars. The locker was simply a closet at the upper end of the car across from and above the toilet. The locker took up the space where an end double seat was located in the cars without a locker. My memory is the cars with lockers lacked a window at this location while those with the double seat had a small window at that location that stood out because of its small size. To my knowledge the locker/closest remained in the cars until the end of their service. Some trainman would still use them to put their stuff behind a locked door but then had to retrieve it at the end of that run as they might not see that car again that day. It was a good place to stash any items purchased while in the city on layover. The closest/lockers also became a space for the cleaning folks to occasionally leave a mop or broom. The space under the stairs contained the electrical lockers on side of the vestibule and baggage space on the other.
If you have a copy of my two part article on working the Dinkies in Friends of the BN Expeditor you can re-read the story of how one enterprising trainman nicknamed “peanuts” used a locker to earn extra cash income on his morning inbound and evening outbound trip.
Again my memory is every control car had a toilet as did the car next to the locomotive. In between there was an occasional car w/toilet.
Leo Phillipp
On Oct 10, 2022, at 10:37 PM, Rupert Gamlen <gamlenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Digging through my records, I have found a note on a post-1974 floor plan that 700-787 were rebuilt in 1973, and that 725-731, 740-744 and 750-787
were equipped with toilets. (I presume that was original equipment rather than added at the rebuilding.) It would appear that toilets and trainmen’s lockers coincided.
The diagram does not list the 790-795 cab cars but does list 816-820 with toilets. Were these the cab cars renumbered?
Did any of the 1965 gallery cars have trainmen’s lockers and did the cab cars have toilets? Were the lockers positioned under the stairs?
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
From: Rupert Gamlen
Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2022 9:51 am
To: CBQ@groups.io
Subject: RE: [CBQ] types of gallery cars
According to the 1969 Ownership, Age & Condition Equipment List
700-729 built 1950
730-739 built 1953
740-749 built 1955
750-759 built 1957
760-787 built 1965
790-795 built 1965
96 seats lower level, 52 seats in the gallery, while toilet cars seated 94 and 51 respectively.
>From the January 1965 List (before the 1965 equipment was listed), 725-731, 740-744 and 750-758 have an upper deck locker for trainmen, and 722-724, 733-736, 739, 745, 748-749 and 759 were “equipped with 27 conductor control wiring for push-pull service in
1964.”
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
Groups 4 and 5 arrived after the merger. Group 4 was ordered by the Q, but delivered after the merger. WSMTD/BNSF still has 741-751, 753-780 and 782-787.
Superior, WI
The apparent confusion at Rapido got me to thinking...
From my personal observations, there are five types of Burlington
1: name board, no toilet, no cab, starting with 700.
2: name board, toilet, no cab, ending with 787. (I have never seen a 788
3: name board, toilet, cab, 790-795. (no photo found on rrpicturearchives)
4: no name board, toilet, cab, 796-815.
5: no name board, toilet, no cab, 816-820.
I believe types 1 and 2 were ordered in alternating lots, but I don't
have ready access to my notes detailing which numbers are which types.
I believe Metra has purged all of type 1.
Metra has removed the cabs from all type 3 and 4 cars, plating over the
In my mind, types 4 and 5 are "BN cars," but I don't know when they were
actually ordered. I assume they were bought by WSMTD rather than the
All cars with toilets are oriented with the toilet in the southwest
corner. This was the biggest flaw with the Holgate & Reynolds and Kiel
(Keil?) Line models: they had the toilet in the wrong place so it would
In all groups, underbody details changed over time, first with 480V HEP
replacing the propane air conditioners, and I think the HEP connectors
were modified when the E9s were retired. And of course the big BN logo
boards were added below the windows, etc.
After type 5 come the various orders of "RTA cars" which look different
and have 4-digit numbers.
Do I have all of this right?
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