According to the 1969 Ownership, Age & Condition Equipment List
700-729 built 1950
730-739 built 1953
740-749 built 1955
750-759 built 1957
760-787 built 1965
790-795 built 1965
96 seats lower level, 52 seats in the gallery, while toilet cars seated 94 and 51 respectively.
>From the January 1965 List (before the 1965 equipment was listed), 725-731, 740-744 and 750-758 have an upper deck locker for trainmen, and 722-724, 733-736, 739, 745, 748-749 and 759 were “equipped with 27 conductor control wiring for push-pull service in
1964.”
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] types of gallery cars
Groups 4 and 5 arrived after the merger. Group 4 was ordered by the Q, but delivered after the merger. WSMTD/BNSF still has 741-751, 753-780 and 782-787.
Superior, WI
The apparent confusion at Rapido got me to thinking...
From my personal observations, there are five types of Burlington
1: name board, no toilet, no cab, starting with 700.
2: name board, toilet, no cab, ending with 787. (I have never seen a 788
3: name board, toilet, cab, 790-795. (no photo found on rrpicturearchives)
4: no name board, toilet, cab, 796-815.
5: no name board, toilet, no cab, 816-820.
I believe types 1 and 2 were ordered in alternating lots, but I don't
have ready access to my notes detailing which numbers are which types.
I believe Metra has purged all of type 1.
Metra has removed the cabs from all type 3 and 4 cars, plating over the
In my mind, types 4 and 5 are "BN cars," but I don't know when they were
actually ordered. I assume they were bought by WSMTD rather than the
All cars with toilets are oriented with the toilet in the southwest
corner. This was the biggest flaw with the Holgate & Reynolds and Kiel
(Keil?) Line models: they had the toilet in the wrong place so it would
In all groups, underbody details changed over time, first with 480V HEP
replacing the propane air conditioners, and I think the HEP connectors
were modified when the E9s were retired. And of course the big BN logo
boards were added below the windows, etc.
After type 5 come the various orders of "RTA cars" which look different
and have 4-digit numbers.
Do I have all of this right?
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