Re: [CBQ] types of gallery cars

["Bryan Howell via groups.io" <tubaman21=yahoo.com@groups.io>]

The cab cars were not renumbered. The ones on WeGo (former Music City Star) still carry their original numbers.

Bryan J. Howell

Superior, WI

On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 10:37 PM, Rupert  Gamlen

<gamlenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Digging through my records, I have found a note on a post-1974 floor plan that 700-787 were rebuilt in 1973, and that 725-731, 740-744 and 750-787 were equipped with toilets. (I presume that was original equipment rather than added at the rebuilding.) It would appear that toilets and trainmen’s lockers coincided.

The diagram does not list the 790-795 cab cars but does list 816-820 with toilets. Were these the cab cars renumbered?

Did any of the 1965 gallery cars have trainmen’s lockers and did the cab cars have toilets? Were the lockers positioned under the stairs?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: Rupert Gamlen
Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2022 9:51 am
To: CBQ@groups.io
Subject: RE: [CBQ] types of gallery cars

 

According to the 1969 Ownership, Age & Condition Equipment List

700-729 built 1950
730-739 built 1953
740-749 built 1955
750-759 built 1957
760-787 built 1965
790-795 built 1965

96 seats lower level, 52 seats in the gallery, while toilet cars seated 94 and 51 respectively.

>From the January 1965 List (before the 1965 equipment was listed), 725-731, 740-744 and 750-758 have an upper deck locker for trainmen, and 722-724, 733-736, 739, 745, 748-749 and 759 were “equipped with 27 conductor control wiring for push-pull service in 1964.”

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bryan Howell via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2022 8:14 am
To: CBQ@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CBQ] types of gallery cars

 

Groups 4 and 5 arrived after the merger. Group 4 was ordered by the Q, but delivered after the merger. WSMTD/BNSF still has 741-751, 753-780 and 782-787.

 

Bryan J. Howell

Superior, WI

 

 

On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 1:41 PM, trains@davidstreeter.net

<trains@davidstreeter.net> wrote:

The apparent confusion at Rapido got me to thinking...

 

From my personal observations, there are five types of Burlington

gallery cars.

 

1: name board, no toilet, no cab, starting with 700.

http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4541152

2: name board, toilet, no cab, ending with 787. (I have never seen a 788

or 789.) http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2694678

3: name board, toilet, cab, 790-795. (no photo found on rrpicturearchives)

4: no name board, toilet, cab, 796-815.

http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3308020 (shown with cab

blanked)

5: no name board, toilet, no cab, 816-820.

http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3200666

 

I believe types 1 and 2 were ordered in alternating lots, but I don't

have ready access to my notes detailing which numbers are which types.

 

I believe Metra has purged all of type 1.

 

Metra has removed the cabs from all type 3 and 4 cars, plating over the

end and side windows.

 

In my mind, types 4 and 5 are "BN cars," but I don't know when they were

actually ordered. I assume they were bought by WSMTD rather than the

railroad itself.

 

All cars with toilets are oriented with the toilet in the southwest

corner. This was the biggest flaw with the Holgate & Reynolds and Kiel

(Keil?) Line models: they had the toilet in the wrong place so it would

be the northwest corner.

 

In all groups, underbody details changed over time, first with 480V HEP

replacing the propane air conditioners, and I think the HEP connectors

were modified when the E9s were retired. And of course the big  BN logo

boards were added below the windows, etc.

 

After type 5 come the various orders of "RTA cars" which look different

and have 4-digit numbers.

 

Do I have all of this right?

 

--

David Streeter

 

 

 

 

 

 

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