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June 10, 2014
Ken, Hol and Group - Rather than coming west from Chicago, could've the two
Missabe Yellowstones (or others) been delivered to the Q via the Billings, MT,
gateway and routed south to Denver for the DR&GW? Are the road numbers of
the double headed Yellowstones on the Q the same as the two on the GN at Devil's
Lake, ND? Would be interesting to know. Timing seems to be pausible. Best
Regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
In a message dated 6/10/2014 1:17:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
On page 368 of the Great Northern steam locomotive
book there is a photo of two DM&IR engines that are under steam and
coupled together, but appear to be running light with only a caboose. The
photo was taken on December 28, 1942, at Devils Lake, ND.
Best regards,
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Subject: RE: [CBQ] Unexpected Visitor
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Looking at these two photos made me wonder if the DM&IR
engines were ever double-headed on the DM&IR. I don't think they
were, but I'm certainly no Missabe expert, and this is probably the wrong
forum in which to pose this question. But . . . these photos may
well document the only time these big engines ran doubled-headed, and
it was on the Q, of all unlikely places! Hol
To: cbq@yahoogroups.com From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 10 Jun
2014 10:41:07 -0600 Subject: FW: [CBQ] Unexpected Visitor To
Aurora
The two photos together exceed Yahoo's 10 MB limit, so I'll
send them one at a time. Hol
From: holpennywagner@msn.com To: cbq@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE:
[CBQ] Unexpected Visitor To Aurora Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:39:31
-0600
OK, here's the rest: By late 1942 the D&RGW
was being overwhelmed by heavy wartime traffic, much of it flowing over the
Moffat Road and Dotsero Cutoff, but a substantial amount also taking
the Royal Gorge route west from Pueblo. The Rio Grande borrowed
whatever power it could -- even a single O-1-A Mike from the Q. But
big power was needed and in the winter of 1942-43 and again the following
winter the Grande managed to borrow several big 2-8-8-4 Yellowstones
from the Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range, which had no need for them during
the winter when Great Lakes ore traffic was at a standstill. The
locomotives were sent west from Chicago via the Q in service, and Joe
Schick, who lived at Keenesburg, Colo., some 40 miles northeast of Denver on
the mainline, caught up with a pair of them double-headed on a westbound
freight, on a chilly December 12, 1943. The two attached views are the
magnificent result. After one of the DM&IR engines ran
away and derailed with an eastbound train coming down out of the mountains
on the Moffat at Fireclay on February 7, 1943, the leased engines were
restricted to service between Denver and Pueblo. Otto Perry photos of
the derailed DM&IR 224 and sister 225 in service on the Joint Line
can be found at: http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/51309/rec/1 http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/67330/rec/1 http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/67331/rec/1 Enjoy! Hol
To: cbq@yahoogroups.com From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 8 Jun
2014 14:09:37 -0400 Subject: [CBQ] Unexpected Visitor To
Aurora
June 8, 2014
Aurora had an unexpected visitor when the NP sent Yellowstone
Class Z-5 No. 5008 to participate in the Chicago Railroad Fair of
1948.
There is a lot more on the Web if you Google search Chicago
Railroad Fair.
The Q and NP routed the huge 2-8-8-4 type south from the Twin
Cities over the LaCrosse Division to Savanna and into Chicago. The inserted
image shows inbound 5008 posing in front of the Aurora Tower.
I'd like to hear opinions if the Yellowstone was routed from
Savanna over the C&I direct to Aurora, or IF due to clearances and/or
weight restrictions on bridges was routed instead Around The
Horn via either Galesburg or Mendota?
Also, considering that the NP would've sent a RFE with the Yellowstone
to instruct Q engine crews on its operation and servicing, how would the Q
engine crews have been paid? On engine weight?
I do not have a retirement date for 5008, but would suspect it had
been replaced by diesels and scrapped in the mid-to-late 1950s. No NP
Yellowstones were preserved. Best Regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope,
AL
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