Hi all,
May I make an observation? In railfan circles we often use the terms “station”
and “depot” interchangeably, usually assuming that a station on the railroad
is/was a physical depot building – as in police station or filling station.
However, when you take a look at the broader definition of the word station
from The Free Dictionary online you find:
sta·tion (stshn) n.
1.
a. A place or position where a person or thing stands or is assigned to
stand; a post: a sentry station.
b. An area where a person is assigned to work.
2. The place, building, or establishment from which a service is provided or
operations are directed: a police station.
3. A stopping place along a route, especially a stop for refueling or for
taking on passengers; a depot.
4. Social position; rank:
5. An establishment equipped for observation and study: a radar station.
6.
a. An establishment equipped for radio or television transmission.
b. One that broadcasts radio or television transmissions: the views in this
program do not necessarily reflect those of the station.
c. A frequency assigned to a broadcaster.
7. An input or output point along a communications system.
8. A precise point from which measurements in surveying are made.
9. Ecology
a. The normal habitat of a particular plant or animal community.
b. The exact place of occurrence of a species or individual within a given
habitat.
10. Station Roman Catholic Church Any of the 14 Stations of the Cross.
Based upon that definition, I think that we need to understand that a station
along the railroad may or may not have had a physical building, it may have
only been a location, as in the case of Carthage Jct. AKA Illinois Jct.
By the way, my 1949 Burlington Route Map of the West (the huge wall map that
could be bought for $2 back in the day) shows that Carthage Jct. is indeed at
the east end of the Burlington, IA Mississippi bridge and is one in the same as
Illinois Jct.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of STEVEN
HOLDING
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:39 AM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] CB&Q stations eliminated pre-1909
Illinois Jct was at the east end of the Mississippi Bridge at Burlington
the Jct switch to go south from the East-West Ottumwa Mainline from Galesburg
to
Ottumwa
The interlocking rods were operated from Wood Tower(rods in photo on P. 50 of
Bull. 23)((P 76 same Bull.))
See Track Chart file in File Section
When Burlington was CTCed the Jct Switch was on the CTC and when we rebuilt the
CTC machine after it was moved to Galesburg(moved from present depot) I got the
parts off the front of the machine.
Will bring to Geneva IF I can find them
Steve in SC
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From: Larry Stoll < lgstoll@cbqrr.com <mailto:lgstoll%40cbqrr.com> >
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CBQ%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 1:48:39 AM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] CB&Q stations eliminated pre-1909
After doing some searching on Google for "Carthage Junction, IL" (with and
without the quotes), it looks like that Carthage Jct, IL
was another name for Illinois Jct, the place that the Carthage line came off of
the CB&Q across the river from Burlington, IA.
Take a look at http://itouchmap.com/?d=1812517&s=IL&f=locale
<http://itouchmap.com/?d=1812517&s=IL&f=locale>
Also, from:
http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA665&lpg=PA397&dq=Carthage%20Junction%2C%20IL&sig=AB-dsVP1w7DHpTUChlAtK4wE0c8&ei=8hxNTPfVOZX9nQeKpcHYCw&ct=result&id=rxNFAAAAYAAJ&ots=-6jbd5pRcn&output=text
<http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA665&lpg=PA397&dq=Carthage%20Junction%2C%20IL&sig=AB-dsVP1w7DHpTUChlAtK4wE0c8&ei=8hxNTPfVOZX9nQeKpcHYCw&ct=result&id=rxNFAAAAYAAJ&ots=-6jbd5pRcn&output=text>
page 665:
East Bur'lington, or Car'thage Junc'tion, a station in Henderson co., ILL., on
the Mississippi River, opposite Burlington, Iowa.
Here the Chicago, Burlington A Quincy Railroad connects with its Carthage A
Quincy Branch and with a branch of the Toledo, Peoria A
Warsaw Railroad. A railway-bridge here crosses tho Mississippi.
Larry Stoll
On 07/25/2010 02:39 PM, Gerald & Virginia Edgar wrote:
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> In the 1900 System TT both Carthage& Carthage Jct are listed as stations but
>Carthage Jct was gone by 1909.
>
> Gerald
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> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CBQ%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: bkewinger@yahoo.com <mailto:bkewinger%40yahoo.com>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:49:06 -0700
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] CB&Q stations eliminated pre-1909
>
> if carthage jct.il. is carthage il. the cbq depot is still standing
>there it is locatred about two blocks from where the diamond wouild have been
>with the wabash
>
> bill ewinger
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> burlington iowa
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> --- On Sat, 7/24/10, Gerald& Virginia Edgar< vje68@hotmail.com
> <mailto:vje68%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
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> From: Gerald& Virginia Edgar< vje68@hotmail.com <mailto:vje68%40hotmail.com> >
>
> Subject: [CBQ] CB&Q stations eliminated pre-1909
>
> To: cbq@yahoogroups.com <mailto:cbq%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 8:06 PM
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> Per a list mbr request:
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> Beginning in approx 1900, CB&Q TT's took their modern day format with a full
>index of all stations at front of TT. Pre-1900 TT's only had indexes of line
>segments; i.e. Savanna to LaCrosse, thus it takes a LOT of time to find all
>the
>station names (and pre-1880's have no indexes, just 'tables')
>
>
>
> I found nearly 80 Stations listed in 1900 that had disappeared by 1909. Some
>due to abandonments& line realignments but mostly because RR's had begun to
>close stations in tiny towns (or the town had 'died'). I know by going thru
>old
>Iowa RR Commissioners' Reports that the CB&Q (& other RR's) closed stations in
>towns of as few as 16 people. Either the town was a 'spec' town that never
>developed, had been a fuel stop now bypassed, a mining town that died, etc. I
>tried to weed out name changes (such as Dunleith, IL becoming East Dubuque and
>Sharps, IA becoming Sharpsburg) but a few of these may just be that: name
>changes. Also a very few reappeared in later yrs. Note too there are a number
>of
>'crossings' - I checked the Tables and indeed train times were shown for these
>'Stations' which is normally only shown for Passenger tables if it's a stop.
>I've seen old photos of such Xings with people around so apparently when
>trains
>were far more frequent and the
>
> ONLY way to travel more than a couple miles, even Xings in the middle of
>nowhere would have stops (need to get comparable old TT's for Milw, RI,
>Wabash,
>etc to see if their branches also had stops at these crossings and at somewhat
>comparable times). Note: even as early as 1900 a couple stations are shown in
>the index but with note they are 'freight only'& not shown in the TT proper.
>
>
>
> The request was made so when coming across old photos of depot's, etc but NO
> RR
>named, you know which might be CB&Q, esp. if town was only served by the Q or
>its predecessors.
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> Adelia, NE
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> Afton Jct., IA
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> Anthen, IA
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> Athol, WY
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> Aztec, SD
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> Bethany Jct., IA
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> Blanding, IL
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> Bricklyn, IL
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> Carthage Jct., IL
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> CB&KC Jct, IA
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> C&A Jct, IL
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> Charme, WI
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> Cinncinnati, IA
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> Clarinda Jct. IA
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> Clark City, MO
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> Cliola, IL
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> Collins, NE
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> Como, WY
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> Conway Crossing, IA
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> Corona, CIO
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> Cream Ridge, MO
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> CRI&P Crossing, IA
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> Cuivre Jct, MO
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> Darren, IA
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> Dumont, WY
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> E. Creston, IA
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> E. Hannibal, MO
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> E. Leavensworth, MO
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> Eric, NE
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> Erskine, WY
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> Ft. Custer, MT
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> Geneva, IL
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> Griffins, IL
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> Groves, MO
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> Guinn, IA
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> Haynes, IA
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> Highland, KS
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> Highwood, WI
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> Hillsdale, IA
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> Holdredge Jct, NE
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> Ives, NE
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> IV&N Crossing, IL
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> IV&N Jct, IL
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> Irondale, CO
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> Krum, IA
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> Lake, MO
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> Maple Lake, MO
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> Marcus, IL
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> Marrietta, SD
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> McDill, IA
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> Middle Lock, IA
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> Mills, IA
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> No. Oswego, IL
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> Osceola Jct, IA
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> Oakland, WI
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> Parkman, WY
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> Patterson, IA
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> Pratt, WY
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> Richfield, MO
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> Rick, MO
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> Riverside, CO
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> R.I. Crossing, IL
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> Round House, MO
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> Russell, IA
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> S& G Ranch, SD
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> St. Peters, MO
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> Schramm, CO
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> Seth, KS
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> Smiths, IA
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> So. Aurora, IL
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> Southdown, MT
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> South Latan, MO
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> Sugar Lake, MO
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> Sunflower, NE
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> Texas Jct, MO
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> Tunis, IA
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> Warsaw, NE
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> Whitebreast, IA
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> Gerald
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