Hi there -
As we are talking about Q stations and depots, I lived for four years in
Fort Collins while attending Colorado State University 1963-1967. I
remember C&S trains - and UP trains as well - running through Fort
Collins. The most obvious scene was C&S trains running down the tracks on
Mason Ave. While I was there, trains 29-30 ran through Fort Collins in the
darkness of early morning, but I do not remember a station stop there.
Looking in Kenneth Jessen's Railroads of Northern Colorado, I find that Fort
Collins did have a C&S stone depot built in 1899, but it was torn down due
to auto traffic concerns in 1952-53. The C&S brick freight station to the
north of the depot, built in 1906, at 136 LaPorte Ave, still stands, but it
is now the Downtown Transit Center.
As passenger service remained in Fort Collins until 9/2/67, where did
passengers buy tickets, set down baggage for loading, and board 29 or 30 in
Fort Collins after 1953? Was it the freight station or another location?
I did not get up early enough in the morning to ride 29 or 30, but I did
chase a school train trip with Q #4960 through the streets of Fort Collins
on my bicycle with my Rolleicord 2 1/4 in hand. I still have the B&W
negatives.
- John Manion
Denver, CO
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Dave Lotz <Dave_Lotz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> May I make an observation? In railfan circles we often use the terms
> ?station? and ?depot? interchangeably, usually assuming that a station on
> the railroad is/was a physical depot building ? as in police station or
> filling station. However, when you take a look at the broader definition of
> the word station from The Free Dictionary online you find:
>
> sta·tion (stshn) n.
> 1.
> a. A place or position where a person or thing stands or is assigned to
> stand; a post: a sentry station.
> b. An area where a person is assigned to work.
> 2. The place, building, or establishment from which a service is provided
> or operations are directed: a police station.
> 3. A stopping place along a route, especially a stop for refueling or for
> taking on passengers; a depot.
> 4. Social position; rank:
> 5. An establishment equipped for observation and study: a radar station.
> 6.
> a. An establishment equipped for radio or television transmission.
> b. One that broadcasts radio or television transmissions: the views in
> this program do not necessarily reflect those of the station.
> c. A frequency assigned to a broadcaster.
> 7. An input or output point along a communications system.
> 8. A precise point from which measurements in surveying are made.
> 9. Ecology
> a. The normal habitat of a particular plant or animal community.
> b. The exact place of occurrence of a species or individual within a
> given habitat.
> 10. Station Roman Catholic Church Any of the 14 Stations of the Cross.
>
> Based upon that definition, I think that we need to understand that a
> station along the railroad may or may not have had a physical building, it
> may have only been a location, as in the case of Carthage Jct. AKA Illinois
> Jct.
>
> By the way, my 1949 Burlington Route Map of the West (the huge wall map
> that could be bought for $2 back in the day) shows that Carthage Jct. is
> indeed at the east end of the Burlington, IA Mississippi bridge and is one
> in the same as Illinois Jct.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <CBQ%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> CBQ@yahoogroups.com <CBQ%40yahoogroups.com>]On Behalf Of STEVEN HOLDING
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:39 AM
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <CBQ%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] CB&Q stations eliminated pre-1909
>
>
> Illinois Jct was at the east end of the Mississippi Bridge at Burlington
> the Jct switch to go south from the East-West Ottumwa Mainline from
> Galesburg to
> Ottumwa
>
> The interlocking rods were operated from Wood Tower(rods in photo on P. 50
> of
> Bull. 23)((P 76 same Bull.))
> See Track Chart file in File Section
> When Burlington was CTCed the Jct Switch was on the CTC and when we rebuilt
> the
> CTC machine after it was moved to Galesburg(moved from present depot) I got
> the
> parts off the front of the machine.
> Will bring to Geneva IF I can find them
> Steve in SC
>
> ________________________________
> From: Larry Stoll < lgstoll@cbqrr.com <lgstoll%40cbqrr.com> <mailto:
> lgstoll%40cbqrr.com <lgstoll%2540cbqrr.com>> >
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <CBQ%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> CBQ%40yahoogroups.com <CBQ%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 1:48:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] CB&Q stations eliminated pre-1909
>
> After doing some searching on Google for "Carthage Junction, IL" (with and
> without the quotes), it looks like that Carthage Jct, IL
>
> was another name for Illinois Jct, the place that the Carthage line came
> off of
> the CB&Q across the river from Burlington, IA.
>
> Take a look at http://itouchmap.com/?d=1812517&s=IL&f=locale <
> http://itouchmap.com/?d=1812517&s=IL&f=locale>
>
> Also, from:
>
>
> http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA665&lpg=PA397&dq=Carthage%20Junction%2C%20IL&sig=AB-dsVP1w7DHpTUChlAtK4wE0c8&ei=8hxNTPfVOZX9nQeKpcHYCw&ct=result&id=rxNFAAAAYAAJ&ots=-6jbd5pRcn&output=text<
> http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA665&lpg=PA397&dq=Carthage%20Junction%2C%20IL&sig=AB-dsVP1w7DHpTUChlAtK4wE0c8&ei=8hxNTPfVOZX9nQeKpcHYCw&ct=result&id=rxNFAAAAYAAJ&ots=-6jbd5pRcn&output=text>
>
>
> page 665:
>
> East Bur'lington, or Car'thage Junc'tion, a station in Henderson co., ILL.,
> on
> the Mississippi River, opposite Burlington, Iowa.
>
> Here the Chicago, Burlington A Quincy Railroad connects with its Carthage A
>
> Quincy Branch and with a branch of the Toledo, Peoria A
>
> Warsaw Railroad. A railway-bridge here crosses tho Mississippi.
>
> Larry Stoll
>
> On 07/25/2010 02:39 PM, Gerald & Virginia Edgar wrote:
> >
> > In the 1900 System TT both Carthage& Carthage Jct are listed as stations
> but
> >Carthage Jct was gone by 1909.
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> >
> > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <CBQ%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> CBQ%40yahoogroups.com <CBQ%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > From: bkewinger@yahoo.com <bkewinger%40yahoo.com> <mailto:
> bkewinger%40yahoo.com <bkewinger%2540yahoo.com>>
> > Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:49:06 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [CBQ] CB&Q stations eliminated pre-1909
> >
> > if carthage jct.il. is carthage il. the cbq depot is still standing
> >there it is locatred about two blocks from where the diamond wouild have
> been
> >with the wabash
> >
> > bill ewinger
> >
> > burlington iowa
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 7/24/10, Gerald& Virginia Edgar<
> > vje68@hotmail.com<vje68%40hotmail.com><mailto:
> vje68%40hotmail.com <vje68%2540hotmail.com>> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Gerald& Virginia Edgar< vje68@hotmail.com
> > <vje68%40hotmail.com><mailto:
> vje68%40hotmail.com <vje68%2540hotmail.com>> >
> >
> > Subject: [CBQ] CB&Q stations eliminated pre-1909
> >
> > To: cbq@yahoogroups.com <cbq%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> cbq%40yahoogroups.com <cbq%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> >
> > Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 8:06 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Per a list mbr request:
> >
> >
> >
> > Beginning in approx 1900, CB&Q TT's took their modern day format with a
> full
> >index of all stations at front of TT. Pre-1900 TT's only had indexes of
> line
> >segments; i.e. Savanna to LaCrosse, thus it takes a LOT of time to find
> all the
> >station names (and pre-1880's have no indexes, just 'tables')
> >
> >
> >
> > I found nearly 80 Stations listed in 1900 that had disappeared by 1909.
> Some
> >due to abandonments& line realignments but mostly because RR's had begun
> to
> >close stations in tiny towns (or the town had 'died'). I know by going
> thru old
> >Iowa RR Commissioners' Reports that the CB&Q (& other RR's) closed
> stations in
> >towns of as few as 16 people. Either the town was a 'spec' town that never
>
> >developed, had been a fuel stop now bypassed, a mining town that died,
> etc. I
> >tried to weed out name changes (such as Dunleith, IL becoming East Dubuque
> and
> >Sharps, IA becoming Sharpsburg) but a few of these may just be that: name
> >changes. Also a very few reappeared in later yrs. Note too there are a
> number of
> >'crossings' - I checked the Tables and indeed train times were shown for
> these
> >'Stations' which is normally only shown for Passenger tables if it's a
> stop.
> >I've seen old photos of such Xings with people around so apparently when
> trains
> >were far more frequent and the
> >
> > ONLY way to travel more than a couple miles, even Xings in the middle of
> >nowhere would have stops (need to get comparable old TT's for Milw, RI,
> Wabash,
> >etc to see if their branches also had stops at these crossings and at
> somewhat
> >comparable times). Note: even as early as 1900 a couple stations are shown
> in
> >the index but with note they are 'freight only'& not shown in the TT
> proper.
> >
> >
> >
> > The request was made so when coming across old photos of depot's, etc but
> NO RR
> >named, you know which might be CB&Q, esp. if town was only served by the Q
> or
> >its predecessors.
> >
> >
> >
> > Adelia, NE
> >
> >
> >
> > Afton Jct., IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Anthen, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Athol, WY
> >
> >
> >
> > Aztec, SD
> >
> >
> >
> > Bethany Jct., IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Blanding, IL
> >
> >
> >
> > Bricklyn, IL
> >
> >
> >
> > Carthage Jct., IL
> >
> >
> >
> > CB&KC Jct, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > C&A Jct, IL
> >
> >
> >
> > Charme, WI
> >
> >
> >
> > Cinncinnati, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Clarinda Jct. IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Clark City, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Cliola, IL
> >
> >
> >
> > Collins, NE
> >
> >
> >
> > Como, WY
> >
> >
> >
> > Conway Crossing, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Corona, CIO
> >
> >
> >
> > Cream Ridge, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > CRI&P Crossing, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Cuivre Jct, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Darren, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Dumont, WY
> >
> >
> >
> > E. Creston, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > E. Hannibal, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > E. Leavensworth, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric, NE
> >
> >
> >
> > Erskine, WY
> >
> >
> >
> > Ft. Custer, MT
> >
> >
> >
> > Geneva, IL
> >
> >
> >
> > Griffins, IL
> >
> >
> >
> > Groves, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Guinn, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Haynes, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Highland, KS
> >
> >
> >
> > Highwood, WI
> >
> >
> >
> > Hillsdale, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Holdredge Jct, NE
> >
> >
> >
> > Ives, NE
> >
> >
> >
> > IV&N Crossing, IL
> >
> >
> >
> > IV&N Jct, IL
> >
> >
> >
> > Irondale, CO
> >
> >
> >
> > Krum, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Lake, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Maple Lake, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Marcus, IL
> >
> >
> >
> > Marrietta, SD
> >
> >
> >
> > McDill, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Middle Lock, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Mills, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > No. Oswego, IL
> >
> >
> >
> > Osceola Jct, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Oakland, WI
> >
> >
> >
> > Parkman, WY
> >
> >
> >
> > Patterson, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Pratt, WY
> >
> >
> >
> > Richfield, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Rick, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Riverside, CO
> >
> >
> >
> > R.I. Crossing, IL
> >
> >
> >
> > Round House, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Russell, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > S& G Ranch, SD
> >
> >
> >
> > St. Peters, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Schramm, CO
> >
> >
> >
> > Seth, KS
> >
> >
> >
> > Smiths, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > So. Aurora, IL
> >
> >
> >
> > Southdown, MT
> >
> >
> >
> > South Latan, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Sugar Lake, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Sunflower, NE
> >
> >
> >
> > Texas Jct, MO
> >
> >
> >
> > Tunis, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Warsaw, NE
> >
> >
> >
> > Whitebreast, IA
> >
> >
> >
> > Gerald
>
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>
>
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