Thanks, Mike, for this counter example. Photo proves it. My understanding
of the way the car miles were kept track of, and the nature of the pool of
cars for the NCL, was that only NP cars went to the IC, in trade for IC car
miles (e.g. 11-bedroom sleepers) on NP at other times of the year. I
suspect that the Q owed NP some miles for dome sleepers, and the NP paid
the IC with that usage. Of course, those 11-bedroom cars sometimes ran all
the way to and from Chicago on 25 & 26, so it could have been a straight
Q-IC trade, but I haven't found records of that. Anybody else have
knowledge of this specific category of transaction? Arcane stuff, to be sure.
Dennis Henry
At 07:55 PM 4/14/04, you wrote:
>Never say never. CB&Q #305 was in IC service (in IC paint) during some
>portion of the winter of 1967. I have a perfect Kodachrome of it in
>December 1967 with "Pullman" on the letterboard and "CB&Q initials at the
>end of the letterboard next to the vestibule door. The "CB&Q" only
>appears next to the door, but is not present at the non-vestibule end of
>the car.
>
>Also interestingly, the car number (#305) appears on the car side only at
>the non-vestibule end of the car. It is centered in the orange portion
>below the windows.
>
>Mike Spoor.
>
>
>On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:30:59 -0500 "Dennis C. Henry" <dchenry@gac.edu>
>writes:
> >The Burlington did run the KCZ parlor-obs cars backwards in Twin
> >Cities
> >Zephyr service, but I believe that the dome seats could be rotated.
> >There
> >was a lively series of letters in Trains Magazine on the subject of
> >running
> >the cars backwards, about 1966 as I recall. I'm sure some others on
> >this
> >list can narrow this down more.
> >
> >Yes, the IC did awful things to the front windows of Budd dome
> >coaches, but
> >only to those they bought in the late 1960's from the Mopac, not the
> >4-4-4
> >dome sleepers from the NP in seasonal service. The Q's dome sleepers
> >for
> >the NCL (Nos. 304-305) were not among those the IC leased in the
> >winter.
> >
> >Dennis Henry
> >
> >At 07:33 PM 4/11/04, you wrote:
> >>The trains were always wyed, turned, or looped at the ends so that
> >dome
> >>passengers always faced forward. On the CP and Via trains, the
> >passengers
> >>rode
> >>forward, but entered and exited forward except in the tail car, where
> >the
> >>stairway was in the normal position toward the rear of the car. In
> >the
> >>ACF-built
> >>domes on the UP "City" trains, the floor in the dome was lower or the
> >
> >>seats not
> >>high enough, so visibility forward was not as good as in a Budd-built
> >dome.
> >>When the IC leased an NP dome off the North Coast Limited for winter
> >Florida
> >>business, the IC plated over the front windows, removing all
> >possibility of
> >>forward vision. The Burlington's and Budd's design was best. Jim
> >N.
> >>
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