NKP Car is working on both 8-5s and 8-3-1s.
NKP has two versions of diners (at least).
At 09:27 PM 5/4/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>Hol,
>
>I have all of Bill's books, but the photo album cuts of in the late 1930s,
>and I've had trouble finding photos of heavyweights in the late 1940s and
>early 1950s. BB#42 has been the best source, but most of the photos except
>in the equipment chapter are three quarter views of trains featuring the
>locomotive, and the car data isn't usually visible. It sounds like the best
>plan is to use the Pullman lettered sleepers and reletter the chair cars
>with CB&Q and the car number.
>
>Your list below confirms what I've found, and I've already built the
>Branchline kits for New Capitol and New Omaha. I have three 12-1 kits, and I
>plan to letter them for Cornhusker, Davenport, and either Estes Park or
>Pepin. I haven't decided how to letter my 8-1-2 kits. I'm planning to order
>a couple of 10-1-1s and one each 12-2 and 6-6 from NKP along with some
>baggage and chair cars. I don't know of any 8-5 or 8-3-1 kits or sides, but
>I'd like to do a Clover series car and Zephyr Tower. The other gap I have is
>Q dining cars, and I may have to scratchbuild those. The fleet is planned to
>include about 20 heavyweight cars. Now if I can find a couple of S-4s....
>
>Nelson
>
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> [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Norm
>Metcalf
>Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 12:04 PM
>To: <mailto:cbq%40yahoogroups.com>cbq@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Fwd: RE: [CBQ] Heavyweights after 1948
>
>CBQ heavyweights after 1948
>Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:16:07 -0600
>From: HOL WAGNER
>
>
>
>Nelson:
>
>No list, only personal observations. Following are cars I saw or
>photographed in the early 19560s still with full Pullman lettering (in
>Dulux -- imitation gold -- Railroad Romasn, as Rich advised) and
>carrying their car names and no indication of Burlington ownership:
>
>New Capitol (14 section)
>Cornhusker, Estes Park (12-1)
>Creighton University, Princeton Universtiy (12-2)
>
>The above were, of course, in Pullman green paint. In addition, the
>following rebuilt betterment cars (semi-streamlined for Zephyr service)
>were still in use in their Pullman light gray paint and with Zephyr
>Gothic lettering in black:
>
>Denver Tower, Zephyr Tower (8-1-3)
>
>Additionally, I have photos of may other heavyweight Pullmans in both
>green and gray with blank letterboards and only the CB&Q reporting marks
>and 600-series car numbers centered in two lines where the car name
>previously appeared. Many of these photos appeared in Bill Glick's
>volume on Q passenger cars, still available direct from Bill.
>
>Hope this helps some.
>
>Hol
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>Subject: RE: [CBQ] Heavyweights after 1948
>Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:04:13 -0500
>From: Nelson Moyer
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>
>Hol,
>
>Thanks for the information. Is there a list anywhere of the Pullman cars
>that weren't relettered? Also, is there a list of Pullman car names that
>were relettered that cross-indexes the Pullman name and the new CB&Q number?
>I have several painted but unlettered Branchline passenger cars that I would
>like to turn into prototype models circa 1950.
>
>Nelson
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
><mailto:CBQ%40yahoogroups.com>CBQ@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
>[mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Norm
>Metcalf
>Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 3:41 PM
>To:
><mailto:cbq%40yahoogroups.com>cbq@yahoogroups.com <mailto:cbq@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [CBQ] Heavyweights after 1948
>
>from: HOL WAGNER
>
>The heavyweight sleepers acquired by the Q in 1948 did not carry both their
>CB&Q numbers and their Pullman names at the same time. Those that got the Q
>numbers generally simply had Pullman painted out on the letterboard and CB&Q
>6XX painted in two lines in place of the car name, centered beneath the
>windows. A good many of the cars, however, were never relettered and after
>years of service on the Q, first in Pullman lease and later as dorm cars and
>emergency coaches, went to scrap still lettered Pullman and carrying their
>Pullman car names.
>
>Hol Wagner
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: [CBQ] Heavyweights after 1948
>Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 15:08:59 -0500
>From: Nelson Moyer
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>To:
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>
>Did the Q retain Pullman car names when they relettered heavyweights from
>Pullman to Burlington? The books I have access to list both car names and
>car numbers, but were both names and numbers used on sleepers in the late
>1940s and early 1950s?
>
>Nelson
>
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