The paint used originally in DENVER & ZEPHYR TOWER (I don't know
about MISSOURI or ROCKET - would have to look) were originally the
Pullman light grey scheme - like the ELMs got. Only after 1948 (1954
in one case) did they get the CB&Q aluminum scheme. In photos (b/w,
and some color, depending on a lot of factors), the scheme is nearly
the same - but... if you were to look at the paint itself, the light
Pullman grey (which is the paint used in the two tone scheme) is
non-metallic and a deeper hue. The CB&Q paint is meant to serve with
the Zephyr fleet better. The CB&Q paint is the same as that you'd
find under most of the Shadowlining schemes.
At 12:01 PM 3/3/2008, Charlie Vlk wrote:
>Bob-
>I have never seen a photo of Missouri Tower (the companion car to
>Denver Tower).
>I do have pictures of Rocket Tower and of course Zephyr Tower (the
>RI Car is a little
>different than the Q...slightly different roof profile).
>You mention the cars are in different schemes.... are you talking
>about the location
>of the "PULLMAN" lettering or something else? I know that the
>similar betterment
>cars in the Crest and Range series on the Texas Zephyr were a
>variation of the scheme
>on those cars (they had two types/tones of paint applied to
>different parts of the carbody).
>Charlie Vlk
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Webber
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Light Gray Pullmans
>
>
> ZEPHYR TOWER also showed up on the Exhibition Flyer in the Pullman
> light grey scheme. DENVER TOWER also was painted in the earlier
> scheme, and also showed up on the Flyer. At various times, each ran
> from St. Louis as part of the connection to the Exhibition
> Flyer. *IF* you find a photo of either of these cars, make certain
> of the date as the two paint schemes are fairly close - and I know
> that they are thought to be the same scheme (though they are not) in
> more than one book/article.
>
> And, I don't mean criticism by that. An extraordinary amount of
> information has been found concerning Pullman operations, painting,
> rebuilding, and associated subjects in the past few years. The
> modelers in HO have been a recipient of some of that knowledge
> through the cars brought out by Branchline and Walthers. The various
> manufacturers have been using original source material, drawings and
> the like that simply weren't known prior to the last 4-6 years (or
> cared about in some circles).
>
> At 07:07 AM 3/3/2008, you wrote:
> > Rupert,
> > Zephyr Tower was done after acquisition for the Zephyr Rocket
> >
> >Lamoyne
> >(BCR&NRY)
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@ihug.co.nz>
> >To: CBQ List <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 2:07:45 AM
> >Subject: [CBQ] Light Gray Pullmans
> >
> > I'm curious about the use of light gray or
> > aluminum paint applied to some of the Pullman sleepers that were
> > purchased from Pullman after 1947, such as Wadena, Lancaster Club
> > and Happy Hollow Club.
> >
> >For example, Zephyr Tower is shown in Mike Spoor's Color Guide with
> >Pullman letterboards (and therefore still a "Pullman" sleeper) in
> >1964 but painted light gray or aluminum as were other CB&Q-owned
> >cars, to simulate (and be used with) the Q's stainless steel
> >lightweight fleet.
> >
> >Was this paint applied whilst the cars were still owned by Pullman
> >(i.e. pre-1947) or was it applied after their acquisition?
> >
> >Whilst on the subject of the ex Pullman cars, was Minnesota Club
> >purchased by the Q. It appears in Bill Glick's Roster as 678 but it
> >is missing from the list in Zephyr #22.
> >
> >Rupert Gamlen
> >Auckland NZ
>
> Bob Webber
>
>
>
>
>
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