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1. [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: "graywolfs2" <graywolfs02@hotmail.com>; Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:09:51 -0600; Hi Rupert, Below is part of the ICC report for the accident at Naperville. No. 11, a west-bound first-class passenger train, consisted of Diesel-electric units 9920 A and 9920 B, one baggage car, one; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00040.html (14,342 bytes)
2. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: Bob Webber <cz17@comcast.net>; Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:18:39 -0500; The term "Baggage Car" is somewhat of a misnomer, the more correct term is "Baggage Express" (AAR code BE) - which is more descriptive of its purpose. They were more likely to be carrying storage mai; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00041.html (14,423 bytes)
3. [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: "Verne Brummel" <ldb53jmb55@charter.net>; Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 22:56:19 -0600; Hi Rupert, Greg and List, Before I was born, my parents and older siblings lived in Naperville, near the accident site at the time of the crash. I recall them, while I was growing up, discussing the; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00045.html (12,193 bytes)
4. [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com>; Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:02:23 -0500; Rupert, From all the information that I have seen of the wreck, none of the baggage and express cars were involved in the accident and thus, remained undamaged and probably weren't even derailed. Mos; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00046.html (16,267 bytes)
5. [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: "Rupert & Maureen" <gamlenz@ihug.co.nz>; Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:08:16 +1200; Gentlemen Thank you for your responses which I will pass on to Chuck. My only experiences of baggage on U.S.trains has been in the Amtrak era where you either checked in your personal baggage and col; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00050.html (11,685 bytes)
6. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: Stephen Levine <sjl_prodigynet@yahoo.com>; Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 08:01:00 -0700 (PDT); The website confirms what I have read elsewhere. The Advance Flyer was a Chicago-Omaha/Lincoln train. As such, I do not believe that it was the first section of the Exposition Flyer. Both the Advan; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00054.html (17,409 bytes)
7. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: Bob Webber <cz17@comcast.net>; Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:12:27 -0500; No, it was a Chicago-Denver, Denver-SLC, SLC-Oakland train - depending on era. As I say, both trains got torn apart and put together throughout the trip. Mostly WB, though there were some EB AEFs. Ag; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00055.html (20,976 bytes)
8. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: Bill Hirt <whirt@sbcglobal.net>; Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:44:34 -0500; The Naperville Sun had quite a collection of pictures of the aftermath of the accident. If I recall right, Harold White, who was the editor and publisher of the Sun, had just purchased a new camera a; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00058.html (13,045 bytes)
9. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: "homanfamily" <homanfamily@fuse.net>; Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:06:21 -0400; I noted in reading the Naperville Sun's report on the accident that the engineer of the Exposition Flyer, who survived the crash, was charged with Manslaughter. What happened to the charge and to the; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00059.html (12,282 bytes)
10. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: John Manion <railbass@comcast.net>; Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:44:07 -0600; BB #42, *Exposition Flyer, *has quite an impressive spread on the Naperville accident with many photos, but one thing I noted is that CB&Q heavyweight buffet/parlor/solarium observation *Mississippi; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00061.html (14,859 bytes)
11. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: Bob Webber <cz17@comcast.net>; Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 18:35:40 -0500; The Kato model is very accurate for BURLINGTON - I believe Charlie used Q plans for it. It would not be for The ROUND-UP. The height & profile different, the underbody very different, the structural; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00062.html (16,102 bytes)
12. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: "cvlk" <cvlk@comcast.net>; Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:42:53 -0500; The answer is probably lost to history, but I would guess that the Burlington had no need for the Mississippi in its pre-crash configuration so it did not get rebuilt in kind. Since they owned the re; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00070.html (13,231 bytes)
13. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: "cvlk" <cvlk@comcast.net>; Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:34:03 -0500; Yes, I made arrangements to get the drawings from the people that were in charge of operating the car for the BNSF. One of the drawings had been modified to show the extensions on the rear gate for c; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00071.html (13,692 bytes)
14. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: dzinnecker <dzinnecker@juno.com>; Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:01:19 -0500; Bill, That's interesting. I can add that the Naperville Sun published an article with photos to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the wreck. I have a copy in my 'archives'. .....somewhere?!? :-) -; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00072.html (13,606 bytes)
15. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: Bill Hirt <whirt@sbcglobal.net>; Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:59:37 -0500; Don, I did a Google search on the "Exposition Flyer" and "Naperville Sun". There is a book available via Google books called Haunted Naperville. On page 10 are two of the pictures from the Naperville; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00073.html (15,164 bytes)
16. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: Stephen Levine <sjl_prodigynet@yahoo.com>; Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:34:22 -0700 (PDT); Ironically, the office car Burlington is, IIRC, now named Mississippi River. While the Roundup was built into streamlined configuration in 1953, didn t it ressemble a prewar Budd car? -- Yahoo! Group; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00076.html (12,705 bytes)
17. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: "cvlk" <cvlk@comcast.net>; Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:58:20 -0500; SteveNo, it had the gasketed windows and fluting of a postwar car.... the tip-off was the proportions of the side, roof, etc. You may be thinking of the truck cutouts for the six wheel trucks, which; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00077.html (11,954 bytes)
18. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: Stephen Levine <sjl_prodigynet@yahoo.com>; Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:48:49 -0700 (PDT); I also identify a pre-war car by the full car length ridge above the letterboard. I thought I saw a drawing where the Roundup had this feature, but I could be remembering incorrectly. Incidentally. w; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00078.html (11,399 bytes)
19. Re: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash (score: 1): Author: Bernie Lyngdal <mytrainstuff@charter.net>; Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:11:12 -0500; I can remember this crash from the coverage by the Chicago newspapers, even though I was only 11 at the time. One thing that has always itched me was the scheduling. Why would the Burlington put the; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00081.html (12,696 bytes)
20. [CBQ] Re: Naperville crash (score: 1): Author: "Verne Brummel" <ldb53jmb55@charter.net>; Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:47:33 -0600; Chuck, It's a small world. My Dad also worked at Kroehler in Naperville at the time (he was there from about 1945-50). Maybe our two Dads knew each other! All I remember is the family talking about t; /archives/BRHSLIST/2010-04/msg00100.html (12,517 bytes)

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