No, it was a Chicago-Denver, Denver-SLC,
SLC-Oakland train - depending on era.
As I say, both trains got torn apart and put
together throughout the trip. Mostly WB, though
there were some EB AEFs. Again, depends on era and season.
Not sure which website you're referring to.
A lot of books (from which a lot of websites
emanate) have errors - not necessarily errors due
to faulty research, but errors nonetheless. The
California Zephyr book has more than a few. But,
it was written at a time when little was known
operationally about the CZ. Ironic in that it was far closer in terms of era.
At 10:01 AM 4/11/2010, you wrote:
>The website confirms what I have read
>elsewhere. The Advance Flyer was a
>Chicago-Omaha/Lincoln train. As such, I do not
>believe that it was the first section of the Exposition Flyer.
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>Both the Advance Flyer and it's eastbound
>counterpart, the first Ak Sar Ben Zephyr (not to
>be confused with the Ak Sar Ben, later to become
>the second Ak Sar Ben Zephyr) were replaced
>within a few years by the Nebraska Zephyr.
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>--- On Sat, 4/10/10, William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com> wrote:
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>From: William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com>
>Subject: [CBQ] Re: Naperville Crash
>To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 9:02 AM
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>damage was confined to the rear of the Advanced Flyer from the dining
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>car back. None of the photos of the damaged cars show any baggage
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>Webber's comments. Very little of the baggage car contents would have
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>trunks. As Bob notes, the majority of the contents of the baggage
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>cars would have been express shipments and storage mail and some of
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>http://www3. gendisasters. com/illinois/ 7341/naperville- il-disastrous-
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>On Apr 10, 2010, at 3:10 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups. com wrote:
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> > express car, two baggage cars, two coaches, one dining car, one
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> > parlor-lounge car and one, coach, in the order named. The sixth car
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> > construction. This train departed from Chicago Union Station, 28.44
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> > miles east of Naperville, at 12:35 p.m., on time, and, moving on
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> > track No. 2, passed Downer's Grove, the last open office, 7.32
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> > About 2 minutes later the rear end was struck by No. 39.
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> > No. 39, a west-bound first-class passenger train, consisted of
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> > In my rail travels (when I was a young lad with my parents) we
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> > two to three suitcases we would have for our trip. I think it was
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