February 25, 2021
Leo - Since steam power was long gone by the time of the BN merger, I'll speculate Mr. Keck was an ex-Q employee and somehow was connected to Galesburg where the Q's remaining steam power had been accumulated and stored prior to sale for scrap in the late 1950s to mid-1960s.
I've heard the same story. Accordingly, the bells would've been removed and the firebox doors welded shut by Galesburg roundhouse gang. If you talk to Mr. Keck in the future, ask him if he remembers or knew of my Dad who was Chicago Division Superintendent in the early 1960s, well before his time there.
I'm attached an image of a NWS&W Photo Permit issued to my Dad on September 21, 1968. I was on leave from the Navy and we had driven over to Sterling that day to watch and photograph the ex-GTW 0-8-0's that were switching the mill. I think all Q steam had been scrapped by then - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
In a message dated 2/24/2021 7:25:04 PM Central Standard Time, qutlx1=aol.com@groups.io writes:
Here’s an interesting tid bit about Q locos going to Northwestern Steel and Wire for dismantling that I doubt is widely known.
When we gave the presentation for the Lee County Historical Society at Dixon,IL a few years back, a gentlemen came up to me before the start. He asked if I had worked for the RR, when I said yes he wanted to know where,when,positions,etc. he volunteered that he had been Chicago Division Supt(BN) about the same period I was a brakeman and Conductor on the division. So we commenced to discuss a number of subjects.
One of the points of discussion was Northwestern Steel and its owner, Mr. Dillon. The gentlemen shared his memory that Mr Dillon didn’t consider a steam locomotive “delivered” if it lacked a brass bell. Of course if the brass bell was left on, at its normal operating position, it quickly disappeared. So............ the Q mechanical dept. would remove the bell, place it in the firebox and tack weld the door.
After the presentation C.K. Keck joined on the spot as a BRHS Conductors club member and I just checked the roster and he remains one.
Leo Phillipp
On Feb 24, 2021, at 3:04 PM, HOL WAGNER <holpennywagner@msn.com> wrote:
Bear in mind that the G-5-A USRA copies have Q style sand domes, not the flat-top domes of the original G-5s, so it's easy to tell which ones became NWS&W 503 and 509; it was clearly G-5s 503 and 509.
Hol
From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 9:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] 0-6-0 No. 3?
Louis, Leo and others,
In the BRHS Flickr Gallery, we have photos of several Q G5 0-6-0s at or in service at Northwest Steel and Wire. It is possible that not only the original USRA G5s were sent there, but also some of the 1921 G5A copies may have been sent there. As original built, the USRA locomotives had a “USRA” smoke box front, with a convex outer ring and a convex door. All of the G5A copies had what I will call a Q smokebox front with a flat outer ring and a slightly convex door. As some of the original USRA smokebox fronts burned through, they were replaced with the Q smokebox fronts. This would have happened in later years of service.
Attached are several photos of Q G5s at NWSW in Sterling, IL. The first shows no. 4 (504) with what appears to be a C&NW tender. We have no photos of this tender in service with 504 on the Q. (Possibly, its original developed a leak.) No. 4 is also sporting a non Q headlight. The second photo shows NWSW no 6, either 506 or 516 and equipped with a non Q headlight. We have a photo of 506 on the Q with the Q type smokebox door, so it could be either locomotive. The third photo shows no. 6 probably after its service at NWSW. Note the broken cab windows. The last photo shows NWSW no. 9 which could be either 509 (Leo’s locomotive of interest) or 519. Judging by the tender and other details, I think it is 509. Based on this information, we have photos of at least four Q G5s or G5As in service at NWSW; nos. 3, 4, 6, and 9. Is there any information about where the 15 G5As were sent for scrap?
Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO
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