Re: [CBQ] St Francis Branch

["Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

NOel..That stuff belonged to the railroad, not the elevators...Those wood grain doors served lots of "nefarious" purposes..one of the reasons the RR's were excited about getting rid of them..There was lots of labor and handling of those wood doors.  The infamous WWIB had a "grain door reclamation" at terminal elevators.  Lots of money spent moving those things around..when they got to a grain loading station the section men would have to unload and stack them up.

Pete

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From: George Crawford georgecrawfordsr@comcast.net [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 24, 2015 11:44 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] St Francis Branch

 

When I was growing up on the Q in the 50' we kids would grab a couple of claw hammers and crowbars and jump up into the empty grain cars parked on the passing siding behind the house. We would take the cardboard and wooden boards and hike them up into the back yard. What a treasure trove. Lots of forts, tree house, and anything else that sparked our imagination. Probably really ticked off the elevators grain loading crew.
Noel

On 12/24/2015 12:27 PM, Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com [CBQ] wrote:

 

Hol  Technically, those "Cardboard" doors were known as "Paper Grain Doors"...two main manufacturers   "Signode" and "International Stanley".  This "changeover from Wood to the "paper doors" was going on during my period as Manager Freight Claims" at the Rock Island.  The arcane nature of the handling of grain claims involving the different types of doors and various methods of "coopering" cars was a real eye opener for me.  

Representatives of the above mentioned manufacturers attended the various Freight Claim "conferences" , supplying "hospitality rooms" and other inducements to "cause" us Claim guys to tout to our "managemnts" the virtues of their products.  On the RI there was kind of a "division of territories" for the different manufactures...I think IIRC that one manufacturers doors were used north of Kansas City and the other South of KC.  

Your mention of covered hoppers brought back another "recollection" ie  When the CH began to be used with increasing rapidity in the transportation of grain in a very rare case of railroad "solidarity"..all of the carriers got together and "conspired" to deny any carrier liability  for grain loss from CH's. except in the case of defective equipment where an actual leak was observed.  There was much "weeping and gnashing of teeth" from the grain industry, but ultimately the carriers prevailed. and nobody "caved".

I'll be happy to take questions from anyone who has any interest as to how the above mentioned claims were handled when grain was moved in boxcars...It's too lengthy and "mysterious" for me to explain without specific questions.

Pete

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From: Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2015 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] St Francis Branch

 

Kirby:

That's correct; boxcars with wooden -- and later, cardboard -- grain doors nailed in place were used to haul grain well into the 1960s, when covered hoppers finally supplanted them.

Hol

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From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Kirby Lambert kirby@prospectortech.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:34 PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] St Francis Branch

 

 

Hol:

How would grain have been hauled in 1920? Would it have been in boxcars with boarded up doors?

Kirby Lambert

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