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Subject: [CBQ] Re: BN GP 20s
From: "Phillips, III, J.A." <whstlpnk@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 02:03:22 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
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Mr Barber,

Thanks very much for taking the time to write out that informative reply! I 
hope the list will indulge us a little longer as we veer a little further away 
from the Q and closer to BN territory. 

Thank you also for the explanation on EMD's re-engining work. A question came 
up on the NP list as to what sort of changes in the hood would have been done 
to early NP Alco switchers when re-engined with EMD 567s, so it popped to mind. 
I don't think I have any further questions about that at this time.

Regarding the Nixon price freeze, I'd forgotten about that, or at least, how it 
might have impacted EMD. I'd never heard of the EMD escalation clause -- good 
thing to know!

...The GEs were favored in coal service because they were considered to pull 
better under heavy load...

I had not heard this before! If Sheridan Engineer Al Krug is lurking on the 
list, I wonder what he would have to say about this. As I recall, he wound up 
in the coal fields ca. 1974 after leaving the PC and indulging his fetish for 
Cascade green. I've never heard anything but compliments about the SD40-2, and 
quite a few complaints about the GE U-series, especially their sixteen-notch 
throttles. Nor did I realize that BN bought 600 SD40-2s in the 1977-9 period -- 
far more than I'd give them credit for. There was certainly still a lot of 
first generation power rolling around the Pacific Northwest at that time.

A somewhat unrelated question that may be out of your field of expertise, but 
what drove the UP's massive SD70 purchase? The need to replace the 
down-on-its-luck SP/DRGW fleet, or the need to keep compliant with 
ever-more-stringent California emissions policies?

...During those same years, BN was spending huge amounts to improve the Powder 
River basin trackage, including the addition of the Orin Cutoff which greatly 
improved access. At the same time, coal traffic was increasing rapidly...

In a note more related to the Q, I've heard repeatedly from an NP civil 
engineer that the BN spent far more than they anticipated on the former Q 
physical plant in the PRB, but system-wide, as the Q's management had never 
really upgraded the plant for the coming of the 100-ton car back in the early 
1960s. (I imagine the flood of PRB coal trains only exacerbated this problem.) 
The engineer's point of view was that the Q's masters wouldn't spring for the 
work, preferring higher dividends. As the Q was beholden to St Paul, I kicked 
this around with a GN/BN exec, another civil engineer who was clear that the Q 
management never brought it up. I get the feeling his point of view was that no 
reasonable request would have been refused, and upgrading rail to handle 
heavier loads was certainly reasonable. Anyone know for sure?

Thanks again!
John Phillips
Seattle


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