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RE: [CBQ] Re: Heavyweight Q Decals

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Subject: RE: [CBQ] Re: Heavyweight Q Decals
From: Gerald Edgar <vje68@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:27:15 -0600
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Excellent letter.  In terms of accurate prototype data,  we are indeed 
fortunate to have Bill Glick's books (4 and counting) to cover the CB&Q 
heavyweights plus other author's generic Pullman, Std Steel, etc books.
 
The same can be said ("bronze gold") re: CB&Q freight/MoW colors.  Freshly 
painted Bunk & Tool cars that were "orange" orange often faded to almost yellow 
(steel cars fading differently than wood ones); Chinese red became plain red 
and even darker.  This can be seen when comparing slides taken same day, same 
lighting in same cut of cars or by reviewing fine print on frt cars as to 
brand/model of paint and date painted.  Even the S.S. Budd equipment varied a 
bit due to dirt and aging.  


Gerald 

 



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From: drgw18@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 12:21:47 -0600
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Heavyweight Q Decals


  



With regard to the Pullman lettering issues ("bronze gold" vs "Dulux Gold").

If you look at photos, movies and actual cars lettered with gold leaf 
("Bronze gold") you will see that as time goes on, the lettering on 
the prototype does fade and does become harder to see on the 
prototype equipment. Note that this is a fairly common occurrence 
with gold leaf on dark surfaces when, especially when varnished (and 
not renewed). That varies drastically depending on when it was 
applied and how long it has been exposed to the environment.

The main reason that the lettering was changed on most railroads (and 
Pullman) was simply economics - the lettering had to be renewed 
often, it had to be well maintained, certain cleaning processes 
(especially those involving mechanical brushes) really impacted the 
lettering and it was not the easiest to see - the contrast wasn't 
there. Gold has a green element and when tarnished will display 
blacks, green and brown tones.

When one looks at gold leaf that is still extant on dark green 
vehicles (and you can see this in many auto collections as well as 
railroads) the contrast is simply less than one would hope for when 
looking at the equipment for identification. Stealthy in a lot of 
ways. And I understand the comment that basically was "this is my 
railroad and I want to use decals that have more contrast". No 
argument. Interpretation is up to everyone.

Dulux Gold is a paint emulsion that provides a far greater contrast 
and exists more closely in the "yellow" spectrum than in the 
"green". The colors held up much longer, it adhered better, didn't 
need repeated varnishing/coating and was far easier to maintain than 
gold leaf Given the circumstances in railroading in the period 
(war, economic recession, down-turns in traffic, increase in LW cars 
painted in brighter colors, etc.) it made perfect sense to go to paint.

In terms of the decal sets. I would go for various lengths of 
"BURLINGTON", the car names (essential, given the length of some of 
the names), the demographic information (RPO, Baggage, etc.) and 
numbers. I, personally, would like to see many of the smaller-sized 
lettering examples - watch your step, truck markings, tank markings, 
keep off, etc.

Further options exist for determining the exact letting. For 
instance, Standard Steel produced a few series of passenger cars for 
the Q. Standard Steel routinely made lettering drawings for all 
applications of the car. To a lesser extent (in terms of 
accessibility), Pullman did the same. This holds true for passenger 
and freight equipment. As an example, the Pullman Library has 
scanned the lettering diagram for the NYC - which includes B&A, MC, 
CS and other affiliated roads; the demographic information and other data.

Now.. when I brought this up to one member who wanted to work on 
such, the response was "why would I need (original drawings of 
cars)?" Why indeed. Unfortunately, that's the attitude that has 
prevailed -- the consequences of which are inaccurate information and 
a lack of accurate details and decals for modelers and historians.

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