This thread includes the term 'deluxe gold' to differentiate the gold leaf
lettering used by Pullman in the 1920s and early 1930s from the yellow paint
used later. Gold leaf was replaced by Dulux, a line of paints produced by
DuPont. Dulux yellow replaced gold leaf because it was cheaper. It's Dulux,
not Deluxe.
Nelson
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From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
rgortowski@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:53 PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Heavyweight Q Decals
Guys,
I have to disagree. This is true when you use Champs decals - you almost
have to double decal to be seen. The newest Champ decals in Pullman gold
leaf are really superior. In fact, we were just talking about this on the
passenger car list (PCL). This also applies to the PRR HW Pullman decals in
gold leaf.
Rich
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From: Ray Bedard <tczephyr@hotmail.com>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <cbq@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 10:46 am
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Re: Heavyweight Q Decals
I also agree with Ken. Bronze gold fades on model trains when using any
combination, mix or type of Pullman green paints. I have used both the
bronze and deluxe, and removed the bronze decals. I use deluxe exclusively.
Weather or not the prototypes used bronze and it faded, I don't really care.
I want to be able to see and read the names and numbers on my cars, so
deluxe is the only one I will use. I refuse the use bronze, no matter how
prototype correct it may be or not.
Ray BedardSan Jose CA
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> From: jonathanharris@earthlink.net
> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:54:20 +0000
> Subject: [CBQ] Re: Heavyweight Q Decals
>
> I hadn't considered Ken's point about bronze gold fading into the
background. I have just one car lettered with the Champ gold and one
passenger engine (w/Microscale I believe). They're in boxes at present, and
I'm not sure I ever studied them at a distance greater than 6 feet, so don't
know what to think about this. Maybe the gold leaf faded into the background
on the prototype as well. Maybe not. As Charlie Vlk has pointed out before,
color has scale.
> I'll leave the hard choice to wiser minds and be grateful for what I get.
> Jonathan
>
> --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Martin <kmartin537@...> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Rich on the first list and while I can't speak for Bill
> > I am not sure we need the second list as the express companies were
> > consolidated in WW I. I also do not think we need the Pullman names.
> >
> > When I use the Champ bronze gold it just fades into the green and I
> > find it hard to read farther than about 6 in., so whether protorype
> > or not I prefer the Deluxe Gold.
> >
> > Ken Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 4, 2010, at 5:45 PM, rgortowski@... wrote:
> >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > I would like to see:
> > >
> > > BURLINGTON - at least two different spacing's
> > > UNITED STATES MAIL RAILWAY POST OFFICE
> > > RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY - two line spacing and three line spacing
> > > BAGGAGE - MAIL
> > > CB&Q
> > > DINING CAR
> > > Different number series that include combinations 45, 61,13, 14
> > > 15, 19
> > >
> > > I'm sure the "antique" boys like Bill and Ken would like to see:
> > >
> > > AMERICAN RAILWAY EXPRESS
> > > WELLS FARGO & CO.
> > > ADAMS EXPRESS
> > > AMERICAN RAILWAY EXPRESS
> > > BAGGAGE, LOUNGE,SOLARIUM, CHAIR, CLUB, PARLOR, SMOKER,
> > > MILK CAR
> > >
> > >
> > > I could provide you with the Q owned car names for the Pullman
> > > sleepers
> > > (like PRINCETON UNIVERSITY)
> > >
> > > The inclusion of cars names is sort of iffy. Most car names can
> > > be pieced
> > > together, but I'm sure some people would want them.
> > >
> > > I know I would want these in true Gold Leaf - others would probably
> > > want
> > > them in Dulux Gold. We never really answered when the Q switched
> > > to Dulux
> > > for the old style lettering.
> > >
> > > Rich
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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