Charlie,
Along with the NKP cars I did a special run of Green and Tan paint for these
Suburban cars, sadly these two colors were the worst selling colors in the
line.
John Lee, MMR
Hobby Consultant
Badger Air Brush Company
Visit Us @ www.badgerairbrush.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@comcast.net>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Suburban "Circus Paint Scheme" Converted Cars
> Bob-
> I wasn't aware that NKP was making models of the standard coaches as well
> as the commuter coaches....
> hence my comment.
> I understood the "bubbles" reference.
> Charlie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Webber
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com ; CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 5:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Suburban "Circus Paint Scheme" Converted Cars
>
>
>
> No, Charlie - I'm referring to all coaches & chair cars. The
> "bubbles" are duct works.
>
> At 04:39 PM 6/17/2008, Charlie Vlk wrote:
> >I think you guys are talking past each other.
> >Bob is referring to the standard commuter coaches, whereas Leo is
> >describing the mainline coaches that were fitted out
> >for Suburban service....which had non-standard (by fleet standards)
> >exterior air conditioning "bubbles". The Burlington
> >Bulletins on the Heavyweight Chair Cars and Suburban Service cover them.
> >The term "Circus Paint Scheme" is misleading as it makes one think
> >of the experimental schemes of many colors that were
> >trialed before settling on the attractive Forest Green/Tan/Yellow
> >with Silver Roof standard Suburban Service scheme.
> >The Newberry Library got PR Dept Files which included photos of
> >many, if not all, of the experimental schemes (I was at
> >the Newberry when the boxes were newly arrived and got to see the
> >contents of some of them) but I've never heard anyone
> >remark about any of the material since... I don't know what happened
> >to the boxes or if they ever were cataloged or put into
> >the Newberry's Collection.
> >Charlie Vlk
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bob Webber
> > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CBQ] Suburban "Circus Paint Scheme" Converted Cars
> >
> >
> > You can, if you wish, get something exactly correct - NKP Car offers
> > the commuter cars - unfortunately, it appears as though his web page
> > is down and has been highjacked.
> >
> > Note that the proper term is not "bubbles" but ducts. The reason I
> > mention it is that it is very important to realize that these ARE A/C
> > ducts, and the ducts can be routed outside or inside the car. In
> > some strange cases (like the abomination that became the A/C WP
> > diners), the ducts were placed on top of arched roofs making that
> > series of cars one of the prime candidates for ugliest on the
> > planet. Some of the CB&Q cars had interior ducts (in other words,
> > the ducting was in the clerestory between the decks) while some had
> > them on the exterior. It is also necessary to understand that the
> > exterior furnishing can make the car look like it has an arched roof,
> > while in reality, new seething was applied to the exterior of the
> > roof that fared the roof between decks. These aren't true arched
> > roofs, as the top deck is still flat instead of arched. From the
> > side though, they can look arched. Whole roofs could get the
> > faring/sheathing making the cars look like they had arched roofs -
> > note the Walthers modernized B&O coach is one example.
> >
> > At 04:06 PM 6/17/2008, qutlx1@aol.com wrote:
> > >I have always wanted to model the suburban cars in what some call the
> > >"Circus Paint Scheme" or the Forest Green with tan window
> > >band,yellow pinstriping
> > >and Alum. roof and vestibules. It's clear (at least to me)
> > >that short of major
> > >kit bashing nothing is a "close enough" conversion for the
> > Aurora Shop built
> > >7100's. We won't even broach the subject of the "power cars".
> > >
> > >However using the many available source books and BRHS Bulletins
> > I've pretty
> > >well narrowed it down to nine potential reasonably easy conversions.
> The
> > >four 4500 ACF built 4500 series cars (4506,07,27 and ?) and the
> > five Pullman
> > >built 6100 series (6151,6135.....). Lets make that 7 relatively
> > >easy conversions
> > >as the 6135 and (?) had the air conditioning bubbles.
> > >
> > >What I'm hoping you guys can confirm is that the 4500's didn't
> > have the A/C
> > >bubbles and which H.O.scale ,available off the shelf cars are
> reasonable
> > >likenesses for these cars. "Close enough" is good enough for me.
> > >If the window
> > >counts and spacing are right,correct roof ,ends and trucks. I'd be a
> happy
> > >modeler. Just looking for something that can be painted,lettered
> > and called
> > >"close enough".
> > >
> > >Does it exist ?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Leo Phillipp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >fuel-efficient used
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> > >
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