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Re: [CBQ] Suburban "Circus Paint Scheme" Converted Cars

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From: Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:17:25 -0500
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No, Charlie - I'm referring to all coaches & chair cars.  The 
"bubbles" are duct works.

At 04:39 PM 6/17/2008, Charlie Vlk wrote:
>I think you guys are talking past each other.
>Bob is referring to the standard commuter coaches, whereas Leo is 
>describing the mainline coaches that were fitted out
>for Suburban service....which had non-standard (by fleet standards) 
>exterior air conditioning "bubbles".   The Burlington
>Bulletins on the Heavyweight Chair Cars and Suburban Service cover them.
>The term "Circus Paint Scheme" is misleading as it makes one think 
>of the experimental schemes of many colors that were
>trialed before settling on the attractive Forest Green/Tan/Yellow 
>with Silver Roof standard Suburban Service scheme.
>The Newberry Library got PR Dept Files which included photos of 
>many, if not all, of the experimental schemes (I was at
>the Newberry when the boxes were newly arrived and got to see the 
>contents of some of them) but I've never heard anyone
>remark about any of the material since... I don't know what happened 
>to the boxes or if they ever were cataloged or put into
>the Newberry's Collection.
>Charlie Vlk
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Bob Webber
>   To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:25 PM
>   Subject: Re: [CBQ] Suburban "Circus Paint Scheme" Converted Cars
>
>
>   You can, if you wish, get something exactly correct - NKP Car offers
>   the commuter cars - unfortunately, it appears as though his web page
>   is down and has been highjacked.
>
>   Note that the proper term is not "bubbles" but ducts. The reason I
>   mention it is that it is very important to realize that these ARE A/C
>   ducts, and the ducts can be routed outside or inside the car. In
>   some strange cases (like the abomination that became the A/C WP
>   diners), the ducts were placed on top of arched roofs making that
>   series of cars one of the prime candidates for ugliest on the
>   planet. Some of the CB&Q cars had interior ducts (in other words,
>   the ducting was in the clerestory between the decks) while some had
>   them on the exterior. It is also necessary to understand that the
>   exterior furnishing can make the car look like it has an arched roof,
>   while in reality, new seething was applied to the exterior of the
>   roof that fared the roof between decks. These aren't true arched
>   roofs, as the top deck is still flat instead of arched. From the
>   side though, they can look arched. Whole roofs could get the
>   faring/sheathing making the cars look like they had arched roofs -
>   note the Walthers modernized B&O coach is one example.
>
>   At 04:06 PM 6/17/2008, qutlx1@aol.com wrote:
>   >I have always wanted to model the suburban cars in what some call the
>   >"Circus Paint Scheme" or the Forest Green with tan window
>   >band,yellow pinstriping
>   >and Alum. roof and vestibules. It's clear (at least to me)
>   >that short of major
>   >kit bashing nothing is a "close enough" conversion for the 
> Aurora Shop built
>   >7100's. We won't even broach the subject of the "power cars".
>   >
>   >However using the many available source books and BRHS Bulletins 
> I've pretty
>   >well narrowed it down to nine potential reasonably easy conversions. The
>   >four 4500 ACF built 4500 series cars (4506,07,27 and ?) and the 
> five Pullman
>   >built 6100 series (6151,6135.....). Lets make that 7 relatively
>   >easy conversions
>   >as the 6135 and (?) had the air conditioning bubbles.
>   >
>   >What I'm hoping you guys can confirm is that the 4500's didn't 
> have the A/C
>   >bubbles and which H.O.scale ,available off the shelf cars are reasonable
>   >likenesses for these cars. "Close enough" is good enough for me.
>   >If the window
>   >counts and spacing are right,correct roof ,ends and trucks. I'd be a happy
>   >modeler. Just looking for something that can be painted,lettered 
> and called
>   >"close enough".
>   >
>   >Does it exist ?
>   >
>   >Thanks,
>   >Leo Phillipp
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
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