Bob-
I wasn't aware that NKP was making models of the standard coaches as well as
the commuter coaches....
hence my comment.
I understood the "bubbles" reference.
Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Webber
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com ; CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Suburban "Circus Paint Scheme" Converted Cars
No, Charlie - I'm referring to all coaches & chair cars. The
"bubbles" are duct works.
At 04:39 PM 6/17/2008, Charlie Vlk wrote:
>I think you guys are talking past each other.
>Bob is referring to the standard commuter coaches, whereas Leo is
>describing the mainline coaches that were fitted out
>for Suburban service....which had non-standard (by fleet standards)
>exterior air conditioning "bubbles". The Burlington
>Bulletins on the Heavyweight Chair Cars and Suburban Service cover them.
>The term "Circus Paint Scheme" is misleading as it makes one think
>of the experimental schemes of many colors that were
>trialed before settling on the attractive Forest Green/Tan/Yellow
>with Silver Roof standard Suburban Service scheme.
>The Newberry Library got PR Dept Files which included photos of
>many, if not all, of the experimental schemes (I was at
>the Newberry when the boxes were newly arrived and got to see the
>contents of some of them) but I've never heard anyone
>remark about any of the material since... I don't know what happened
>to the boxes or if they ever were cataloged or put into
>the Newberry's Collection.
>Charlie Vlk
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Webber
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Suburban "Circus Paint Scheme" Converted Cars
>
>
> You can, if you wish, get something exactly correct - NKP Car offers
> the commuter cars - unfortunately, it appears as though his web page
> is down and has been highjacked.
>
> Note that the proper term is not "bubbles" but ducts. The reason I
> mention it is that it is very important to realize that these ARE A/C
> ducts, and the ducts can be routed outside or inside the car. In
> some strange cases (like the abomination that became the A/C WP
> diners), the ducts were placed on top of arched roofs making that
> series of cars one of the prime candidates for ugliest on the
> planet. Some of the CB&Q cars had interior ducts (in other words,
> the ducting was in the clerestory between the decks) while some had
> them on the exterior. It is also necessary to understand that the
> exterior furnishing can make the car look like it has an arched roof,
> while in reality, new seething was applied to the exterior of the
> roof that fared the roof between decks. These aren't true arched
> roofs, as the top deck is still flat instead of arched. From the
> side though, they can look arched. Whole roofs could get the
> faring/sheathing making the cars look like they had arched roofs -
> note the Walthers modernized B&O coach is one example.
>
> At 04:06 PM 6/17/2008, qutlx1@aol.com wrote:
> >I have always wanted to model the suburban cars in what some call the
> >"Circus Paint Scheme" or the Forest Green with tan window
> >band,yellow pinstriping
> >and Alum. roof and vestibules. It's clear (at least to me)
> >that short of major
> >kit bashing nothing is a "close enough" conversion for the
> Aurora Shop built
> >7100's. We won't even broach the subject of the "power cars".
> >
> >However using the many available source books and BRHS Bulletins
> I've pretty
> >well narrowed it down to nine potential reasonably easy conversions. The
> >four 4500 ACF built 4500 series cars (4506,07,27 and ?) and the
> five Pullman
> >built 6100 series (6151,6135.....). Lets make that 7 relatively
> >easy conversions
> >as the 6135 and (?) had the air conditioning bubbles.
> >
> >What I'm hoping you guys can confirm is that the 4500's didn't
> have the A/C
> >bubbles and which H.O.scale ,available off the shelf cars are reasonable
> >likenesses for these cars. "Close enough" is good enough for me.
> >If the window
> >counts and spacing are right,correct roof ,ends and trucks. I'd be a happy
> >modeler. Just looking for something that can be painted,lettered
> and called
> >"close enough".
> >
> >Does it exist ?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Leo Phillipp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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