As mentioned, the PRR SILVER RAPIDS' roof color depends on era. Pre
1957 it was not painted (i.e. natural stainless) post late 1957 it
was painted black (actually, it was covered in roof cement which
appears black) to better match the Florida service cars in the PRR
pool - which is also when it got the PENNSYLVANNIA on the
trainboard. That is how BLI brought it out in the 2nd edition, and
it is correct.
At 03:20 AM 11/11/2006, Eddie Stavleu wrote:
>What colour was the roof on the PRR sleeper plese
>
>Eddie Stavleu
>
>
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers
>
>
> There are multiple stories on this - I got mine from an interview of
> a WP man on the train. It may be that there are multiple
> understandings too. The CZ did offer to off load and / or push
> through - both offers were denied - at least in part because they
> didn't want TWO trains stuck. But I'm sure SP also thought they
> could get it moving again, and there must have been a bit of pride at
> stake too. Even if it was never really surfaced or understood.
>
> At 03:18 PM 11/10/2006, Stephen J. Levine wrote:
> >Bob
> >
> > My understanding, from a recent article in Trains, was that the
> > CZ offered to transport passengers, but the offer was declined
> > because the SP was so sure they could get the CoSF moving again.
> >
> > sjl
> >
> >Bob Webber <no17@comcast.net> wrote:
> > They (The NYC) leased a variety of 10-6 sleepers - and
> > from all three
> >of the major partners. I have a partial list somewhere, gathered
> >from Pullman NYC assignment records by Dave Staplin when he visited
> >the Newberry Library. But there were plenty of times that that
> >(leased) sleeper was unavailable or that it needed to be
> >supplemented. As did the SILVER RAPIDS. Both stainless and two
> >tone NYC sleepers show up a lot on CZ consists, mainly because NYC
> >had a lot of sleepers - and from about 1954 on, their sleeper
> >capacity simply wasn't used that much - and they didn't have a ready
> >outlet (like the Pennsy did with the Florida traffic). They ended up
> >selling a lot of sleepers to Canada and Mexico, and converting quite
> >a few to ersatz SlumberCoaches (and then let the lease of their real
> >ones go and they ended up on the NP and they sometimes showed up
> on the DZ).
> >
> >The consortium partners were not limited to the Q, WP & D&RGW. It
> >included (at the beginning) the PRR, NYC, MP and SP. And later the
> >AT&SF. The SP was included due to the original "sailings" from the
> >Oakland mole, the AT&SF was the connection from San Francisco - their
> >buses were under-utilized and WP included them in the contracts to
> >bring passengers from SF to Oakland / Emeryville (depending on
> >era). On the ticket, you could start from SF, and that connection
> >was ticketed via the AT&SF. MP was included because of their
> >original desire to have a St. Louis connection that would run via the
> >Royal Gorge and Pueblo, connecting at Glenwood Springs. No matter
> >what they tried, they couldn't get the schedules to fit just right,
> >and that was dropped. The additional service was to be a dome coach
> >and a sleeper. The SP, UP & AT&SF were in the contract for weather
> >and wreck related blockades. In 1952, when the CoSF was stranded,
> >the CZ was right behind it on Donner Pass - it made it through on the
> >other track (some talk was made of using it to push the CoSF but
> >smarter heads prevailed), and the rest of that week, the train
> >detoured via Bakersfield (SLC to Bakersfield to Oakland) - the trains
> >were late, but left on time. (That story is a good indication of why
> >the WP & D&RGW never used E units and why the PA's didn't last long
> >on the CZ on the D&RGW - all powered drivers & the F's torque were
> >much preferred). The actual participatory contributions of the
> >consortium participants varied greatly, the MP bowing out before
> >providing much beyond planning aid.
> >
> >At 09:33 AM 11/10/2006, Stephen J. Levine wrote:
> > >For its regular transcon service with the CZ, New York Central
> > >leased one of the D&RGW CZ cars, unlike the Pennsylvania, which
> > >owned its own. This, according to Karl Zimmerman.
> > >
> > > sjl
> > >
> > >rgortowski@aol.com wrote:
> > > The light gray/dark gray NYC sleepers certainly appeared
> > > on the CZ, even as
> > >early as 1950. See the cover of Jeff Wilson's "Burlington in
> the Heartland"
> > >and you can see what Bob Milner confirms was an NYC car in the
> 11th slot. I
> > >bought one of the Railway Classics "River" sleepers just for this
> > >possibility.
> > >You can also see ACL fluted sleepers in 1951 as well in "Portrait
> > of a Silver
> > >Lady" Many foreign road cars were used, even before the 1952
> extra cars, to
> > >augment the consist.
> > >
> > >Rich
> >
> >Bob Webber
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Bob Webber
>
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Bob Webber
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