As a side note on Bob's great information on the 49 RR Fair, I found an actual
souvineer Timetable bearing out all of this info along with a wealth of
diagrams depicting the "Montezuma" both in HO and O scale on the reverse side
of the timetable. If anyone wanted this souvineer TT I would let it go for
$5.00 plus postage. Thanks, Archie
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From: Bob Webber
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com ; CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 4:07 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [CBQ] Re: Chicago Railroad Fair
I never did find records for the C&S cars before
or after the fair aside from what I had written.
For the D&RGW portion:
The Fair had been such a success that it was
decided to run it for the summer of 1949 as
well. The Deadwood Central had been so popular
that a second narrow gauge train was added. The
equipment was lettered as the "Cripple Creek &
Tin Cup Railroad" and the Denver & Rio Grande
Western provided it. Another timetable was
produced (see photo x). The herald used was an
obvious modification of the "Mainline thru the
Rockies" herald that had been recently
introduced. In this case, the words "MAIN LINE"
substituted for the "Flying Rio Grande" in the
bar in the center of the herald. Around the rim
of the new herald, instead of "MAINLINE THRU THE
ROCKIES", it read "Cripple Creek & Tin Cup R. R.
- the Route of the "Montezuma." President Wilson
McCarthy raised the official flag of the Chicago
Railroad Fair on June 25th. July 24th was
designated "Rio Grande Day" (this is the date
when the pioneers first entered Utah in 1847),
and the program was slanted to the common
beginnings of the Morman Church in Utah and the
start of the Rio Grande. This was also President McCarthy's birthday.
A timetable was also created for the Cripple
Creek & Tin Cup Railroad. This timetable had one
panel (of 16 panels) providing actual schedule
information. The "Moffat Tunnel Route" (the
train ran near the D&RGW exhibit which featured a
scale reproduction of the east portal of the
Moffat Tunnel and a theatre), ran from Tincup
(Deadwood) to Gold Gulch (Cripple Creek). It
left "Frequently" and arrived "Too Soon,"
operating from 10 AM to 10 PM daily. Along the
way, stops included Florida (C&EI exhibit), San
Francisco Cable Car (WP exhibit), Latin Quarter
(IC), Western Vacationland (GN-NP-CB&Q), MOFFAT
TUNNEL (caps in original - D&RGW), Rocket Village
(CRI&P), Indian Village (AT&SF), Pullman
Standard, Vitarama Hall (Eastern Railroads),
"Wheels-A-Rolling" (the elaborate stage show),
Paul Bunyan (C&NW), Pullman Co., Spanish-America
(UP), Exhibition Tracks, Restaurants, Gold Gulch
Post Office, Budd Company, and finally Gold
Gulch. It should be noted that the two terminals
had dual names - one for the Cripple Creek & Tin
Cup Railroad and one for the Deadwood Central
Railroad. If the Narrow Gauge had interchanged
with this many railroads, it would still be
around (or long since converted to standard gauge)!
The equipment for the CC&TC RR was the C-16
number 268 (renamed "Montezuma"), one coach
("Chief Ouray"), 4 "observation cars," and one
private car (former B3, lettered "General William
J. Palmer" for the fair). This Fair equipment had
a very definite relation to that of the Rio
Grande's standard gauged passenger train, The
Prospector. The Rio Grande's participation at
the Fair was a special project of the Passenger
Department, and the Fair equipment was painted in
Rio Grande Gold with black stripes, soon to be
found on the third iteration of The Prospector
equipment. The Fair open-air observation car
names: "Brigham Young," "David Moffat," "John
Evans," and "Heber C. Kimball" were also used as
the names of the four cars making up the two
two-car trainsets of the original Prospector
(built by Budd in 1941) and the four Pullmans
bought for the third Prospector.
This fair equipment had one record that the
standard gauge Prospector never even hoped for -
it set the record for the highest per-train-mile
revenue in the history of railroading. A total
of 606, 901 passengers paid a dime each to ride the half-mile long railroad
More information is available, this is after all,
a CB&Q list. Information pertaining to the
paint on the 268 - which is NOT the commonly
thought of "bumble bee" paint scheme), who did
work on it among other things - information that
went into one of the earlier Prospectors and / or
Greenlights, I can't recall just now.
At 10:41 PM 10/31/2006, cy svobodny wrote:
>What were the 4 converted gondolas/open air cars and
>what became of them? I've checked the C&S roster, but
>don't find them. CY p.s. Thanks again for the
>wealth of info about a event over 50 years ago. Also
>what details are known about the D&RGW train of 1949.
>
>
Bob Webber
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