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1. [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: "Rupert and Maureen" <gamlenz@ihug.co.nz>; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:48:23 +1300; A couple of weeks ago, you kindly discussed a question about "foreign" sleepers on the CZ for Mike Roberts. He is now asking if black and grey NYC sleepers appeared on the CZ. Any offers? Rupert Gaml; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00053.html (10,418 bytes)
2. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: rgortowski@aol.com; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:25:17 EST; The light gray/dark gray NYC sleepers certainly appeared on the CZ, even as early as 1950. See the cover of Jeff Wilson's "Burlington in the Heartland" and you can see what Bob Milner confirms was an; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00054.html (10,843 bytes)
3. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: Bob Webber <no17@comcast.net>; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:44:19 -0600; No such thing as "Black and grey" - two tone grey, yes. And yes, they appeared at various times. Including as the trans-con sleeper. Bob Webber Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web,; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00056.html (11,138 bytes)
4. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: "Stephen J. Levine" <sjl@prodigy.net>; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:31:02 -0800 (PST); Honest mistake. As a kid, NYC's dark gray appeared black to me. It was only as an adult that I learned it was really a dark gray. sjl Bob Webber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00057.html (11,216 bytes)
5. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: "Stephen J. Levine" <sjl@prodigy.net>; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:33:45 -0800 (PST); For its regular transcon service with the CZ, New York Central leased one of the D&RGW CZ cars, unlike the Pennsylvania, which owned its own. This, according to Karl Zimmerman. sjl rgortowski@aol.com; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00058.html (11,595 bytes)
6. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: Bob Webber <no17@comcast.net>; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:13:25 -0600; They (The NYC) leased a variety of 10-6 sleepers - and from all three of the major partners. I have a partial list somewhere, gathered from Pullman NYC assignment records by Dave Staplin when he visi; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00061.html (14,778 bytes)
7. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: Frederick Ripley <fjr@mchsi.com>; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:59:53 -0600; They (The NYC) leased a variety of 10-6 sleepers - and from all three of the major partners. I have a partial list somewhere, gathered from Pullman NYC assignment records by Dave Staplin when he visi; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00063.html (11,778 bytes)
8. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: "Rupert and Maureen" <gamlenz@ihug.co.nz>; Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:00:31 +1300; Thanks for all the comments - I'll forward them to Mike. Rupert Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CBQ/ <*> Your email settings: Individual E; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00064.html (11,263 bytes)
9. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: Aeolus3@aol.com; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:03:01 EST; In a message dated 11/10/2006 9:48:59 AM Central Standard Time, sjl@prodigy.net writes: For its regular transcon service with the CZ, New York Central leased one of the D&RGW CZ cars, unlike the Penn; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00065.html (11,859 bytes)
10. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: Bob Webber <no17@comcast.net>; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:45:33 -0600; Check the date on the train sheet - it might well be after the end of Transcon service. In any case, remember that CZ cars had a window in Chicago where the sleepers and some of the other cars could; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00066.html (13,298 bytes)
11. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: "Stephen J. Levine" <sjl@prodigy.net>; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:09:06 -0800 (PST); I believe that 7 cars could have protected the thru sleeper. Lv.New York - Late Afternoon, Day 1 Ar.Chicago - Morning, Day 2 Lv.Chicago - Afternoon, Day 2 Ar.Denver - Morning, Day 3 Ar.Salt Lake - La; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00067.html (12,735 bytes)
12. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: "Stephen J. Levine" <sjl@prodigy.net>; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:15:22 -0800 (PST); The Q also bought the extra CZ cars so they could interline them with the Ak Sar Ben Zephyr, since they otherwise had overnight and next morning down time in Chicago. It is interesting that the 5 con; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00068.html (13,799 bytes)
13. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: Bob Webber <no17@comcast.net>; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:40:43 -0600; Other CZ cars were used on the service. Other PRR cars were relatively common - I was on at least 2 trains where tuscan red cars were on the train. If anyone has interest in such cars, the Newberry h; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00069.html (12,777 bytes)
14. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: "Stephen J. Levine" <sjl@prodigy.net>; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:18:59 -0800 (PST); Bob My understanding, from a recent article in Trains, was that the CZ offered to transport passengers, but the offer was declined because the SP was so sure they could get the CoSF moving again. sjl; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00070.html (15,066 bytes)
15. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: Bob Webber <no17@comcast.net>; Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:46:36 -0600; There are multiple stories on this - I got mine from an interview of a WP man on the train. It may be that there are multiple understandings too. The CZ did offer to off load and / or push through -; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00072.html (16,900 bytes)
16. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: Aeolus3@aol.com; Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:32:18 EST; While on the SP the CZ would have had a "pilot" locomotive due to cab signals on the SP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web,; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00073.html (10,231 bytes)
17. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: "Eddie Stavleu" <eddiestavleu@bigpond.com.au>; Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:20:47 +1000; What colour was the roof on the PRR sleeper plese Eddie Stavleu There are multiple stories on this - I got mine from an interview of a WP man on the train. It may be that there are multiple understan; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00074.html (16,639 bytes)
18. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: Bob Webber <no17@comcast.net>; Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:11:55 -0600; As mentioned, the PRR SILVER RAPIDS' roof color depends on era. Pre 1957 it was not painted (i.e. natural stainless) post late 1957 it was painted black (actually, it was covered in roof cement which; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00075.html (18,870 bytes)
19. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: Frederick Ripley <fjr@mchsi.com>; Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:14:26 -0600; What colour was the roof on the PRR sleeper plese Eddie Stavleu When in CZ service, definitely silver. After service ended in 1957, the PRR painted roof black and removed CZ lettering. BLI is finally; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00078.html (11,798 bytes)
20. Re: [CBQ] CZ foreign sleepers (score: 1): Author: "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@comcast.net>; Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:58:12 -0600; Just a clarification..... BLI first released the Silver Rapids in CZ paint (with silver roof). They then released the SIlver Rapids in PRR paint (with black roof) using the old stock number, which ca; /archives/BRHSLIST/2006-11/msg00083.html (12,294 bytes)

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