Re: [CBQ] GN F's and CB&Q Power on Freight in 1968

["Louis Zadnichek via Groups.Io" <LZadnichek=aol.com@groups.io>]

May 19, 2019

 

Hol and Mike - May be some mechanical department correspondence still exists in the preserved Q archives in Baraboo that might answer our questions about "why" the GN Class P-2's and second batch of Burlington Class B-1-A's are mechanically similar. Best Regards - Louis

 

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL 

 

 

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From: HOL WAGNER <holpennywagner@msn.com>
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Sent: Sun, May 19, 2019 8:36 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] GN F's and CB&Q Power on Freight in 1968

Mike:

I missed your response until after I had already posted mine; we both said pretty much the same thing; there must have been something about GN's P-2s that the Q thought it might want on its B-1-As.

Hol

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From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of Michael Woodruff <mwoodruff54@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 11:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] GN F's and CB&Q Power on Freight in 1968

 

Interesting to speculate on the reasoning behind the Q testing a GN loco.  GN 2527 was the last of the P-2 class Mountains they received from Baldwin in 1923.  The Q had already received their B-1 class Mountains (7000-7007) from Lima in 1922.  The Q and GN locos are within an inch or two and a few thousand pounds here and there of being almost identical in their principle specifications.  Was there some new feature on the GN P-2 that the Q wanted to check out?  In any case, the Q subsequently ordered B-1As 7008-7020 from Baldwin in 1925, which were copies of the earlier Lima B-1s, but with slightly different tenders.

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oro valley az

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 9:05 AM Louis Zadnichek via Groups.Io <LZadnichek=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

May 18, 2019

Pete - Could one be a RFE?  A foreign line locomotive, especially one being being tested, would almost certainly have a RFE riding along with the assigned crew.  Best Regards - Louis

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL

In a message dated 5/18/2019 11:00:16 AM Central Standard Time, jpslhedgpeth=aol.com@groups.io writes:

Great great photo..As usual I'm taken up with the details.  At first I thought that we had Engineer and fireman...with fireman dirtiest overalls yet shiniest shoes..Yet after a more scrutinizing look and checking the location ie Savannah...crew change point. I've decided that we have both the inbound and the outbound engineer.  Look at those very shiny shoes and the overall cuffs turned up and, most certainly sewn in that position.  After a fireman became an engineer he would tend to "pork out"  a bit , hence he had to purchase his overalls in a somewhat larger size with which came longer legs hense the wide expanse of the lighter color of the inside denim on the legs.

I did though notice in my "braking days" that most of the enginemen and some of the conductors tended to keep their shoes shined up nicely. 

Other comments and/or corrections welcome

Pete

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January 18, 2019

Tom - There were GN "visitors" to the Q well prior to the F-unit leases in the late 1960s.  I've attached an undated image showing GN 4-8-2 No. 2527 testing over the LaCrosse Division at Savanna, IL. I've often wondered "why" the three Hill Roads, the NP, GN and Q, all went there own separate ways with steam motive power development instead of working together to design standardized locomotives suitable for use on all three lines. Best Regards - Louis

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL       

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From: Tom Mack via Groups.Io <thommack=yahoo.com@groups.io>
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Sent: Sat, May 18, 2019 7:35 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] GN F's and CB&Q Power on Freight in 1968

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 02:19 PM, Karl L Rethwisch wrote:

GN F's were regular power on trains 97 and 88 in the early 60's. 

Karl,

The early 60's GN F-unit leases are pretty well documented, but ended before my modeling period which is 1965-merger (but skews toward the late 1960's). That is what was so exciting about seeing the GN A-B-A set in 1968. There is a photo of a GN F unit being traded in to EMD in a locomotive consist at the Daytons Bluff engine facility, but it is unclear of whether it would be the lead or trailing unit. It's not on a train. I had assumed the A-B-A set was also trade-in fodder, but confirming the 454D number on the lead unit confirms that this wasn't the case since it didn't go to EMD until 1970. Really cool to see the consist.

While I am sure more GN equipment ran the Q in the late 1960's, so far I can only photographically confirm two instances: This F7A-B-A set, and a shot on RR Picture Archives of a freight at Savanna in 1968 where the trailing unit is a GN U28B: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2819786

If anyone has any other photos they know of I'd like to see them.
 
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Tom Mack
Cincinnati, OH

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