[CBQ] From M-4 To M-4-A

["Louis Zadnichek via Groups.Io" <LZadnichek=aol.com@groups.io>]

November 21, 2018

Charlie - Interesting point on how to state class designations, with or without hypens.  The Corbin book uses hypens such as in O-1-A.  That's why I use hypens.  However, Burlington Route Steam Finale does not use hypens such as in O1A. And I think that over the years I've seen it both ways in the BRHS Bulletins.

I've got some original Steam Diagram Books, but I'd have to dig them out of a box. Can someone with a diagram book handy look in their's to see how class designations are stated? I'd be interested in knowing.  I agree in that we should use the "proper" format, whatever that may be.

And for anyone interested in the fate of ex-Bessemer & Lake Erie RR 2-10-4 type No. 643, there is a FaceBook Page for the locomotive < https://www.facebook.com/BessemerLakeErie643/ >.  No. 643 and its sisters were virtual clones of the Q's Class M4A's (see Charlie, I'm using your suggested style).

Hope this survivor eventually finds a safe home inside a covered structure.  It would be a terrible shame to see it scrapped after having survived this long. Really going against 643's chances for long term survival is its size and weight making trucking off site almost an impossibility. Plus, CSXT hates steam.

Lastly, Charlie, you're the man to write that article on Q steam locomotives that never got farther than the mechanical department's drafting table..... Everyone enjoy their Thanksgiving Holiday - Louis

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL

 

In a message dated 11/21/2018 12:22:15 PM Central Standard Time, cvlk@comcast.net writes:

While on the subject of M locomotives....

 

….while none of the CB&Q M4 types have been preserved there is a DM&IR/B&LE copy that is still intact under cover awaiting preservation.

 

On several occasions Joe Douda and I had conversations where he mentioned that he had seen proposal drawings of conversions of M1 or M2 2-10-2s to 2-10-4 locomotives (M5???).   He also says there were diagrams or proposals for the next batch of O5s.....and that they were to have the M4 style high capacity tenders.

Like the section in Hol's The Colorado Road where he describes locomotives that the C&S proposed, I think a Zephyr or Bulletin article on "proposed but never built" might be of interest to Burlington fans.

 

I have a few drawings of proposed locomotives but the ones I mention here have so far eluded me.   Does anyone have these or others?  

Charlie Vlk

PS-   The CB&Q seemed to use the class designations as all uppercase and with no dash as in O5A.  Sometimes the main class designation was a larger size letter than the class number or subclass letter.   Should the BRHS promote this as part of our "style guide" and try to educate Q fans to the proper format??

I believe this has been a topic of discussion in other societies such as the PRRHT&HS.

 

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