Ken:
It's my understanding that, due to the high levels of passenger traffic during WWII, the Office of Defense Transportation urged all the railroads to come up with additional coaches. And since they couldn't buy new ones,
they had to convert cars that were not vital at the time. Thus the Burlington converted the "Minneapolis Club" into chair car 4800 and the "Mississippi" and "Riverview" into chair cars 4810-4811. Only two were converted back after the war; the 4800 remained
a chair car until its scrapping in 1965.
Hol
From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of Kenneth Middleton <krmiddle@charter.net>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 1:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Observation Cars Purchased from SP&S
Hi Hol,
Were these cars rebuilt as chair cars in 1943 at the government’s insistence (apparently they didn’t like parlor-observations because they could sell more seats in coaches)? The GN observations on the Empire Builder were rebuilt to coaches
at about the same time, and then after the war were returned to their original configurations.
Best regards,
Ken Middleton
Portage, MI
krmiddle@charter.net
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HOL WAGNER
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 12:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Observation Cars Purchased from SP&S
I suppose I should have mentioned that Mississippi Riverview was the name of the Chicago-Twin Cities pair of trains for which these two cars were purchased from the SP&S.
Hol
Richard:
Sorry it's taken me so long to put all this together, but I think I've answered your questions by adding to and correcting the data below. Note that the car name "RIVERVIEW" is one word, not two. I'm also including
some photos that may interest you.
Hol Wagner
CB&Q 220 "MISSISSIPPI"
Purchased from SP&S as the 570 and placed in service as CB&Q 220 "MISSISSIPPI" in June 1934
Rebuilt as Buffet-Parlor-Observation CB&Q 340 in November 1936 and named "DENVER" on one side and "CHEYENNE" on the other sides for service on C&S trains 31-32, the Zephyr Connection
Rebuilt as Chair Car CB&Q 4811 in May 1943
Restored back to CB&Q 220 "MISSISSIPPI" in February 1946
Damaged in collision at Naperville, Ill., in April 1946 and placed in storage at CB&Q Aurora, Ill., car shops
Rebuilt as Business Car "THE ROUND-UP" in June 1953. Relettered BN "THE ROUND-UP" in May 1970
Sold to Canadian National in April 1972; resold to Bombardier Ltd.; resold to Ron Salisbury, Toronto, Ont.; resold to unknown individual, Landisville, Pa.
CB&Q 221 "RIVERVIEW"
Purchased from SP&S as the 571 and placed in service as the CB&Q 221 "RIVERVIEW" in June 1934
Rebuilt as Chair Car CB&Q 4810 in May 1943
Restored back to Parlor Observation CB&Q 221 "RIVERVIEW" in February 1946
Used as temporary depot at West Quincy, Mo., in 1952-53, then moved to Lincoln, Neb. and used as employee lunchroom in Hobson Yard there
Placed in Maintenance of Way Service as CB&Q 250051 at Lincoln, NE in May 1967
Retired and scrapped by BN at unknown date in early 1970s
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