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From: "Gordon Smith kc2bw@optonline.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 15:08:32 -0500
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Nelson, have you seen the latest 
VO1000's from Bowser? The gray is 
very lite. Stewart came the closest 
out of all the blackbird grays.

-------- Original Message --------
>
>
> Thanks, Charlie, for the personal 
> testimony re Modelflex Imitation 
> Aluminum for graybacks. Gordon, 
> re your F units in Modelflex 
> Imitation Aluminum, to each his 
> own. I hope you sprayed them 
> under high enough pressure to 
> oxidize the paint to it’s true 
> finished color. As for Tru Color 
> using the society chips, it 
> sounds like they, too, botched 
> the finished color of Q 
> graybacks. I’ll reserve judgement 
> until I see it. Too bad Charlie 
> wasn’t their consultant. At least 
> Intermountain got close. It seems 
> that nobody else has come that 
> close yet.
>
> For what it’s worth, there was a 
> thread on the STMFC list re 
> blackbird gray. I have ten 
> factory painted models from 
> Bachmann, Walthers P2K, BLI, and 
> Stewart/Bowser in the blackbird 
> scheme, and none have the same 
> shade of gray. None. The grays 
> range from a pale gray (P2K) to a 
> dark gray (P2K and BLI), to a 
> tanish gray (P2K and Bachmann), 
> to a bluish gray (P2K) to a close 
> representation of blackbird gray 
> (Bowser/Stewart VO-1000s). I 
> repainted the worst offenders 
> with Modelflex CB&Q Gray, and 
> they are much improved. While 
> some prototype color variation is 
> normal due to fading, tone and 
> stark shade variation isn’t OK, 
> e.g. bluish, or tannish tones and 
> extremes of light and dark. Also, 
> note that Walthers colors vary 
> all over the color spectrum. It 
> is a mistake to depend upon 
> factory paint to be 
> prototypically accurate for the 
> CB&Q. Other roads, maybe, but not 
> the Q. As a prototype modeler, 
> I’ve found that it is also 
> incorrect to assume that hobby 
> paints intended for model 
> railroad colors will be correct, 
> and that’s why the magazines 
> publish paint mixes, and the chat 
> groups debate what a freight car 
> or locomotive really looked like 
> in the wild. Transport that to a 
> model railroad, and it becomes 
> totally subjective, which is why 
> I said, if it looks good to you, 
> you have achieved your objective. 
> It may or may not be true to the 
> prototype, but that doesn’t 
> matter unless you’re a prototype 
> modeler.
>
> Nelson Moyer
>
> *From:*CBQ@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 06, 2017 
> 10:45 AM
> *To:* CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [CBQ] Painting 
> question for a friend
>
>
>
>
> All
>
> Without getting into color 
> theory, lighting variables, and 
> weathering let me give a little 
> personal history on the subject:
>
> After Illinois Tech Model 
> Railroad meetings on Friday night 
> we'd usually have a late snack at 
> Connie's Snack Shop at Harlem Ave 
> across the tracks from the depot. 
>  One time we stopped at Clyde 
> Diesel Shops on the way to talk 
> to McFarland, the supervisor that 
> Joe Legner knew. There was a 55 
> gallon drum of Imitation Aluminum 
> Oxide paint in the shop and I was 
> able to get a quart jar of it.
>
> In liquid form the paint was 
> DARK.....
>
> I had a set of Athearn F7s 
> painted using the sample... And 
> they turned out almost Cadet Grey 
> in color.  Yuukk!!
>
> Some Hallmark N and Ho units were 
> independently also misled in much 
> the same manner.
>
> On the real units the paint was 
> to be applied under high 
> pressure....where it 
> Oxidized....giving the white-ish 
> tone that we like to debate.
>
> So I would not trust a drift card 
> as they are not produced under 
> the same conditions as a 
> locomotive being painted, some 
> being out of the drum dipped or 
> painted under low pressure.
>
> Charlie Vlk
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 10:11 AM, 
> Gordon Smith kc2bw@optonline.net 
> <mailto:kc2bw@optonline.net> 
> [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>
>     --I thought Modelflex
>     Imitation Aluminum was
>     matched to the BRHS color chips.
>
>     Yes they did. And the Dupont
>     Duco
>     numbers. I figured that John
>     could
>     comment on that.
>
>     --I don't know what Tru Color
>     used.
>
>     I do...As I said the same chips.
>
>     --I remember the previous
>     threads
>     about it being dark when new and
>     bleaching out in the sun.
>
>     Of course! All paint is faded
>     from
>     being in the sun.
>
>     --The goal of modelers seems
>     to be
>     to reproduce colors that 'look
>     right to them', and who can
>     argue
>     with that logic.
>
>     And that is why there will
>     never be
>     agreement.
>
>     Gordon
>
>     -------- Original Message
>     --------
>     > I thought Modelflex
>     Imitation Aluminum was
>     matched to the BRHS color
>     chips. I don't know what Tru
>     Color used. I remember the
>     previous threads about it
>     being dark when new and
>     bleaching out in the sun. The
>     consensus (maybe just
>     majority) was that Imitation
>     Aluminum was too dark out of
>     the bottle. To me, it has a
>     greenish tinge. The problem
>     with all prototype color
>     chips is that don't scale to
>     models very well because of
>     lighting variables, not to
>     mention color perception
>     variables, and the effects of
>     age and weathering. The goal
>     of modelers seems to be to
>     reproduce colors that 'look
>     right to them', and who can
>     argue with that logic!
>     >
>     > Nelson Moyer
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
>     [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
>     > Sent: Monday, March 06,
>     2017 9:35 AM
>     > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
>     > Subject: Re: [CBQ] Painting
>     question for a friend
>     >
>     > YES!!!! The color from True
>     Color
>     > was done from the Q
>     societies paint
>     > chips. As has been
>     discussed in the
>     > past...when photographed in
>     bright
>     > sunlight the color is very
>     lite.
>     > This is because of an
>     additive in
>     > the paint and slight over
>     exposure.
>     > If you look at pics in the
>     books
>     > that are in the snow, the gray
>     > color is there. John Lee can
>     > comment on the Badger
>     color. Those
>     > comments should be in the
>     archives
>     > of this list. There will
>     never be
>     > agreement on the color that
>     > satisfies everyone. All 28
>     of my
>     > F's are done with the Badger
>     >
>     > Gordon.
>     >
>     > -------- Original Message
>     --------
>     >> NO! Model Flex Imitation
>     Aluminum is not even close to
>     the light gray color of CB&Q
>     F units. It's much too dark.
>     I haven't seen the new Tru
>     Color paint for graybacks, so
>     I can't opine about that. A
>     Paint Shop article in Model
>     Railroader many years ago
>     recommended using reefer
>     white with a few drops of
>     black. Among the commercially
>     painted F units, the
>     Intermountain FT units seem
>     to have the best paint color.
>     The Walthers P2K models are
>     yellowish, which is
>     unacceptable. I don't have
>     any Stewart/Bowser F units
>     for comparison. If the Tru
>     Color version is correct,
>     I'll repaint and decal my six
>     P2K F units, they're that bad.
>     >>
>     >> Nelson Moyer
>     >>
>     >> -----Original Message-----
>     >> From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
>     [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
>     >> Sent: Monday, March 06,
>     2017 12:13 AM
>     >> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
>     >> Subject: Re: [CBQ]
>     Painting question for a friend
>     >>
>     >> The Gray Backs are the F
>     units.
>     >> That would be Model Flex
>     193 CB&Q
>     >> Imitation Aluminum or True
>     Color
>     >> 330 Gray #2 for F units.
>     >>
>     >> Gordon
>     >>
>     >> -------- Original Message
>     --------
>     >>> All,
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> A model railroader friend
>     here in
>     >>> the Twin Cities asked me if I
>     >>> knew which paint would work
>     >>> for the CB&Q grey backs.
>     Since we
>     >>> haven't done any painting, I
>     >>> couldn't help him out. Does
>     >>> anyone have any
>     suggestion that I
>     >>> could forward on?
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> Thanks for your help.
>     >>>
>     >>> Scott Stearns - Zumbrota, MN
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>
>     >>
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>     >> Posted by: Gordon Smith
>     <kc2bw@optonline.net
>     <mailto:kc2bw@optonline.net>>
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>     >> Posted by: Nelson Moyer
>     <npmoyer@hotmail.com
>     <mailto:npmoyer@hotmail.com>>
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>     > Posted by: Gordon Smith
>     <kc2bw@optonline.net
>     <mailto:kc2bw@optonline.net>>
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>     <npmoyer@hotmail.com
>     <mailto:npmoyer@hotmail.com>>
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