Nelson, have you seen the latest
VO1000's from Bowser? The gray is
very lite. Stewart came the closest
out of all the blackbird grays.
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>
>
> Thanks, Charlie, for the personal
> testimony re Modelflex Imitation
> Aluminum for graybacks. Gordon,
> re your F units in Modelflex
> Imitation Aluminum, to each his
> own. I hope you sprayed them
> under high enough pressure to
> oxidize the paint to it’s true
> finished color. As for Tru Color
> using the society chips, it
> sounds like they, too, botched
> the finished color of Q
> graybacks. I’ll reserve judgement
> until I see it. Too bad Charlie
> wasn’t their consultant. At least
> Intermountain got close. It seems
> that nobody else has come that
> close yet.
>
> For what it’s worth, there was a
> thread on the STMFC list re
> blackbird gray. I have ten
> factory painted models from
> Bachmann, Walthers P2K, BLI, and
> Stewart/Bowser in the blackbird
> scheme, and none have the same
> shade of gray. None. The grays
> range from a pale gray (P2K) to a
> dark gray (P2K and BLI), to a
> tanish gray (P2K and Bachmann),
> to a bluish gray (P2K) to a close
> representation of blackbird gray
> (Bowser/Stewart VO-1000s). I
> repainted the worst offenders
> with Modelflex CB&Q Gray, and
> they are much improved. While
> some prototype color variation is
> normal due to fading, tone and
> stark shade variation isn’t OK,
> e.g. bluish, or tannish tones and
> extremes of light and dark. Also,
> note that Walthers colors vary
> all over the color spectrum. It
> is a mistake to depend upon
> factory paint to be
> prototypically accurate for the
> CB&Q. Other roads, maybe, but not
> the Q. As a prototype modeler,
> I’ve found that it is also
> incorrect to assume that hobby
> paints intended for model
> railroad colors will be correct,
> and that’s why the magazines
> publish paint mixes, and the chat
> groups debate what a freight car
> or locomotive really looked like
> in the wild. Transport that to a
> model railroad, and it becomes
> totally subjective, which is why
> I said, if it looks good to you,
> you have achieved your objective.
> It may or may not be true to the
> prototype, but that doesn’t
> matter unless you’re a prototype
> modeler.
>
> Nelson Moyer
>
> *From:*CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 06, 2017
> 10:45 AM
> *To:* CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [CBQ] Painting
> question for a friend
>
>
>
>
> All
>
> Without getting into color
> theory, lighting variables, and
> weathering let me give a little
> personal history on the subject:
>
> After Illinois Tech Model
> Railroad meetings on Friday night
> we'd usually have a late snack at
> Connie's Snack Shop at Harlem Ave
> across the tracks from the depot.
> One time we stopped at Clyde
> Diesel Shops on the way to talk
> to McFarland, the supervisor that
> Joe Legner knew. There was a 55
> gallon drum of Imitation Aluminum
> Oxide paint in the shop and I was
> able to get a quart jar of it.
>
> In liquid form the paint was
> DARK.....
>
> I had a set of Athearn F7s
> painted using the sample... And
> they turned out almost Cadet Grey
> in color. Yuukk!!
>
> Some Hallmark N and Ho units were
> independently also misled in much
> the same manner.
>
> On the real units the paint was
> to be applied under high
> pressure....where it
> Oxidized....giving the white-ish
> tone that we like to debate.
>
> So I would not trust a drift card
> as they are not produced under
> the same conditions as a
> locomotive being painted, some
> being out of the drum dipped or
> painted under low pressure.
>
> Charlie Vlk
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 10:11 AM,
> Gordon Smith kc2bw@optonline.net
> <mailto:kc2bw@optonline.net>
> [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>
> --I thought Modelflex
> Imitation Aluminum was
> matched to the BRHS color chips.
>
> Yes they did. And the Dupont
> Duco
> numbers. I figured that John
> could
> comment on that.
>
> --I don't know what Tru Color
> used.
>
> I do...As I said the same chips.
>
> --I remember the previous
> threads
> about it being dark when new and
> bleaching out in the sun.
>
> Of course! All paint is faded
> from
> being in the sun.
>
> --The goal of modelers seems
> to be
> to reproduce colors that 'look
> right to them', and who can
> argue
> with that logic.
>
> And that is why there will
> never be
> agreement.
>
> Gordon
>
> -------- Original Message
> --------
> > I thought Modelflex
> Imitation Aluminum was
> matched to the BRHS color
> chips. I don't know what Tru
> Color used. I remember the
> previous threads about it
> being dark when new and
> bleaching out in the sun. The
> consensus (maybe just
> majority) was that Imitation
> Aluminum was too dark out of
> the bottle. To me, it has a
> greenish tinge. The problem
> with all prototype color
> chips is that don't scale to
> models very well because of
> lighting variables, not to
> mention color perception
> variables, and the effects of
> age and weathering. The goal
> of modelers seems to be to
> reproduce colors that 'look
> right to them', and who can
> argue with that logic!
> >
> > Nelson Moyer
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
> > Sent: Monday, March 06,
> 2017 9:35 AM
> > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [CBQ] Painting
> question for a friend
> >
> > YES!!!! The color from True
> Color
> > was done from the Q
> societies paint
> > chips. As has been
> discussed in the
> > past...when photographed in
> bright
> > sunlight the color is very
> lite.
> > This is because of an
> additive in
> > the paint and slight over
> exposure.
> > If you look at pics in the
> books
> > that are in the snow, the gray
> > color is there. John Lee can
> > comment on the Badger
> color. Those
> > comments should be in the
> archives
> > of this list. There will
> never be
> > agreement on the color that
> > satisfies everyone. All 28
> of my
> > F's are done with the Badger
> >
> > Gordon.
> >
> > -------- Original Message
> --------
> >> NO! Model Flex Imitation
> Aluminum is not even close to
> the light gray color of CB&Q
> F units. It's much too dark.
> I haven't seen the new Tru
> Color paint for graybacks, so
> I can't opine about that. A
> Paint Shop article in Model
> Railroader many years ago
> recommended using reefer
> white with a few drops of
> black. Among the commercially
> painted F units, the
> Intermountain FT units seem
> to have the best paint color.
> The Walthers P2K models are
> yellowish, which is
> unacceptable. I don't have
> any Stewart/Bowser F units
> for comparison. If the Tru
> Color version is correct,
> I'll repaint and decal my six
> P2K F units, they're that bad.
> >>
> >> Nelson Moyer
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, March 06,
> 2017 12:13 AM
> >> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [CBQ]
> Painting question for a friend
> >>
> >> The Gray Backs are the F
> units.
> >> That would be Model Flex
> 193 CB&Q
> >> Imitation Aluminum or True
> Color
> >> 330 Gray #2 for F units.
> >>
> >> Gordon
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message
> --------
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A model railroader friend
> here in
> >>> the Twin Cities asked me if I
> >>> knew which paint would work
> >>> for the CB&Q grey backs.
> Since we
> >>> haven't done any painting, I
> >>> couldn't help him out. Does
> >>> anyone have any
> suggestion that I
> >>> could forward on?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your help.
> >>>
> >>> Scott Stearns - Zumbrota, MN
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Posted by: Gordon Smith
> <kc2bw@optonline.net
> <mailto:kc2bw@optonline.net>>
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