Re: [CBQ] Painting question for a friend

["Charlie Vlk cvlk@comcast.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

All

Without getting into color theory, lighting variables, and weathering let me give a little personal history on the subject:

After Illinois Tech Model Railroad meetings on Friday night we'd usually have a late snack at Connie's Snack Shop at Harlem Ave across the tracks from the depot.  One time we stopped at Clyde Diesel Shops on the way to talk to McFarland, the supervisor that Joe Legner knew.   There was a 55 gallon drum of Imitation Aluminum Oxide paint in the shop and I was able to get a quart jar of it.   

In liquid form the paint was DARK.....

I had a set of Athearn F7s painted using the sample... And they turned out almost Cadet Grey in color.  Yuukk!!

Some Hallmark N and Ho units were independently also misled in much the same manner.

On the real units the paint was to be applied under high pressure....where it Oxidized....giving the white-ish tone that we like to debate.

So I would not trust a drift card as they are not produced under the same conditions as a locomotive being painted, some being out of the drum dipped or painted under low pressure.

Charlie Vlk

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On Mar 6, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Gordon Smith kc2bw@optonline.net [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

--I thought Modelflex Imitation Aluminum was matched to the BRHS color chips.

Yes they did. And the Dupont Duco
numbers. I figured that John could
comment on that.

--I don't know what Tru Color used.

I do...As I said the same chips.

--I remember the previous threads
about it being dark when new and
bleaching out in the sun.

Of course! All paint is faded from
being in the sun.

--The goal of modelers seems to be
to reproduce colors that 'look
right to them', and who can argue
with that logic.

And that is why there will never be
agreement.

Gordon

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> I thought Modelflex Imitation Aluminum was matched to the BRHS color chips. I don't know what Tru Color used. I remember the previous threads about it being dark when new and bleaching out in the sun. The consensus (maybe just majority) was that Imitation Aluminum was too dark out of the bottle. To me, it has a greenish tinge. The problem with all prototype color chips is that don't scale to models very well because of lighting variables, not to mention color perception variables, and the effects of age and weathering. The goal of modelers seems to be to reproduce colors that 'look right to them', and who can argue with that logic!
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> From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 9:35 AM
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Painting question for a friend
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> YES!!!! The color from True Color
> was done from the Q societies paint
> chips. As has been discussed in the
> past...when photographed in bright
> sunlight the color is very lite.
> This is because of an additive in
> the paint and slight over exposure.
> If you look at pics in the books
> that are in the snow, the gray
> color is there. John Lee can
> comment on the Badger color. Those
> comments should be in the archives
> of this list. There will never be
> agreement on the color that
> satisfies everyone. All 28 of my
> F's are done with the Badger
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> Gordon.
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>> NO! Model Flex Imitation Aluminum is not even close to the light gray color of CB&Q F units. It's much too dark. I haven't seen the new Tru Color paint for graybacks, so I can't opine about that. A Paint Shop article in Model Railroader many years ago recommended using reefer white with a few drops of black. Among the commercially painted F units, the Intermountain FT units seem to have the best paint color. The Walthers P2K models are yellowish, which is unacceptable. I don't have any Stewart/Bowser F units for comparison. If the Tru Color version is correct, I'll repaint and decal my six P2K F units, they're that bad.
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>> Nelson Moyer
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>> From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
>> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 12:13 AM
>> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Painting question for a friend
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>> The Gray Backs are the F units.
>> That would be Model Flex 193 CB&Q
>> Imitation Aluminum or True Color
>> 330 Gray #2 for F units.
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>> Gordon
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>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> All,
>>>
>>>
>>> A model railroader friend here in
>>> the Twin Cities asked me if I
>>> knew which paint would work
>>> for the CB&Q grey backs. Since we
>>> haven't done any painting, I
>>> couldn't help him out. Does
>>> anyone have any suggestion that I
>>> could forward on?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Scott Stearns - Zumbrota, MN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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