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If any of you guys are in contact with Jim Christen..he doesn't do e mail...he, himself, is a walking encyclopedia of how these trains were made up and how operating changes were made. If anybody want's Jim phone and/or address contact me off list.
Pete
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From: 'Charlie Vlk' cvlk@comcast.net [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2017 12:26 pm Subject: RE: [CBQ] Passenger Operating Data Sheets Wasn’t Lancaster Club used as a dormitory car fairly regularly on the DZ?...at least that car was painted silver.
Seems to me I’ve seen some daily memos regarding make up of trains but don’t recall anything about what power is to be assigned.
But you are correct, there must have been some guidelines printed somewhere…..
Charlie Vlk
Bill,
I have both the original and revised editions of this book and the flow-charts of passenger cars are excellent, but that is not what I am looking for. The Denver Zephyr ran with 12 cars to almost 20 cars, depending on the season, and ran in two sections (Coach and Sleeper) during the heavy summer travel season. What tonnage and number of cars dictated whether it ran with two E-units, three E-units or four E-units. I know that the E-9's were the preferred power on the DZ and CZ usually got E-7's or E-8's, but there had to be Data sheets telling the Operating Dept. this information. I know that non-Stainless Steel cars were not allowed on the DZ- and when extra cars were needed, Budd SS coaches and domes (including pre-war SS cars) were pulled from the 'Zephyr Pool' to augment the train. When two sections were run- the coach section had a lot of pre-war SS cars and usually KCZ dome-coach-lounge-dorm cars 'Silver Patio' and 'Silver Garden', as well as TCZ dome coaches and pre-war Diner-Lounge-Observations to augment and make a presentable train worthy of the DZ tradition. There had to be Data sheets instructing the Coach yard how the train was to be made-up. I have almost every book ever printed on the 'Q' during the 40's, 50's and 60's, and John Strauss' three volumes on 'Burlington Route Passenger Trains' are a wealth of knowledge- including train consists on given days, but there had to be operating directives that told the passenger dept. how all of these above stated situations were to be handled. John Olson On 1/26/2017 5:51 PM, Bill Hirt whirt@fastmail.com [CBQ] wrote: > John, > > Fred Frailey's Twilight of the Great Trains has some of the information > you are looking for. The original edition was from Kalmbach, but he > expanded the book with a second edition that is available from Indiana > University Press. He has a nice large chapter on CB&Q, GN and NP > passenger operations in the mid-late 1960's. > > Bill Hirt > > > On 1/26/2017 5:32 PM, John Olson trains28@bresnan.net [CBQ] wrote: >> Last night I was looking through my 'Burlington Lines Operating Data >> Sheets', reprinted by the BRHS in 1998, which lists all the scheduled >> 'Q' freight trains operating during 1967 thru 1969- starting with Train >> #60 thru #808, CB&Q-PC-UP Runthrough service, CB&Q-EL Runthrough >> service, C&S- FW&D trains and Local Service Sheets. Each train has 1 to >> 3 pages devoted to it- listing the Schedule, the Grouping (order of >> consist) in the train for set-outs and pick-ups at terminals, total >> number of cars & tonnage allowed if 2, 3, 4 or 5 units are used. For >> instance: >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: Bill Hirt <whirt@fastmail.com> > ------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > > > -- John Olson- owner Jim's Junction 811B 16th St. West Billings, Mt 59102 406-259-5354 <trains28@bresnan.net> <www.jimsjunction.com> __._,_.___ Posted by: jpslhedgpeth@aol.com __,_._,___ |