Sorry for not deleting earlier postings, but I'm trying to keep all three of the pertinent photos and the comments on them together.
It seems probable to me that the Oregon Interurban started operation in 1908 with one or two 4-4-0s and a coach or combine, then added the motor car at a later date. The 1917 Annual Report of the Missouri Public Service Commission lists the Oregon Interurban
Railway under the heading, "List of steam carriers operating in the state of Missouri under the jurisdiction of the Public Service Commission which file tariffs with the Rate Department."
Two brief items in the Holt County Sentinel for Friday, December 15, 1911, may provide a clue:
"Two men entered the Oregon Interurban car the other day. There was but one vacant seat, but the man who was a little ahead, and really entitled to it, urged the other man to take it, saying that he really preferred to stand. 'This,' said the second man,
as he sank wearily into the seat, 'is what I call a case of genuine politeness.' 'That may be what you call it, stranger,' said the man who was standing up, 'but I call it one of the blamedest, tenderest boils I ever carried around with me in my life.' Moral:
Sometimes people get credit for what they don't deserve."
"Good November Business.
"Our Interurban railroad did a good business during November, handling 1,862,710 pounds of freight, of which there were 22 carload lots received and 27 carload lots forwarded: 23 of these were hogs. In addition to this it handled 31,619 pounds of express,
1,030 gallons of cream and 1,504 passengers."
The _expression_, "entered the Oregon Interurban car," would seem to refer to the motor car, while the fact that cars of freight were being hauled would seem to refer to the steam-powered trains. Possibly the coach/combine was used as a waycar on the steam
trains and provided passenger service in addition to the motor car. And the mention of 31,619 pounds of express justifies the Adams Express Company sign on the Oregon depot.
Hol
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I just checked Edmund Keilty's book,
Doodlebug Country, to make sure the Oregon Interurban was not listed among roads operating motor cars, and he does not show it. But he missed a number of other shortlines that had motor cars, so the omission really doesn't mean much The OI's 1908-1918
timeframe coincides perfectly with the widespread early development of gas-mechanical and gas-electric cars, and dozens of backwater shortlines employed such cars to cut operating costs.
As for the road's 4-4-0 or 4-4-0s, early 20th Century Burlington locomotive dispositions are sparse, and when they do exist they only show the date a locomotive was retired -- no real disposition is included. The fact that the
Oregon Interurban had its beginning in 1908, four years after the consolidation of all the component lines -- including the KCStJ&CB line the OI connected with at Forest City -- would mean whatever might have been sold to the shortline would have carried a
Q number by the time of the sale. The locomotive in the postcard view has no distinguishing characteristics that would allow us to definitely identify it as coming from the Burlington, but located as the OI was with only a Q connection (no pun intended, Dave
Lotz), it does seem most likely that the locomotive or locomotives came from the Q, though the proximity to Kansas City and St. Joe makes many more railroads legitimate possibilities.
Hol
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The attached image from the other end of the depot at Oregon appears to show a trolley-like motor car of some kind rather than a steam train. Note the Adams Express Company sign on the end of the depot; that Q also used Adams
at this time.
Hol
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Rick - I "think" this is the Oregon, MO, depot image that Pete is talking about:
It shows a 4-4-0. I had the same question as you after reading Pete's post, could the 4-4-0 shown be ex-B&MR or Q? Looks to be a pretty old locomotive. What say the locomotive historians in our Group? Best Regards - Louis
In a message dated 4/5/2016 4:51:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:
Pete- I have a source that says the OI had a pair of 4-4-0s; I presume former Q (?). What type of locomotive does your photo show?
Rick Morgan
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OK guys This photo has a hidden JEWEL OF INESTIMABLE VALUE. Look behind the depot..between the depot and the big Number 16 on what appears to be a large sign.
There you will see a train on the OREGON INTERURBAN RAILROAD.
This RR ran between Forest City and Oregon..3 miles as the crow flies, but about 6 via rail since the line had to go a couple of miles south, climbing
the bluffs which you see in the distance thence heading northeast toward Oregon. This railroad only lasted from 1908 to 1918..10 years..Very very few pictures exist. I have a single photo of the engine and one coach at the depot in Oregon.
My cousin grew up in Oregon and in our youth we once "walked" the line from Oregon to Forest City. He recalls that we came upon the remains of a
trestle, but I don't remember it. The old depot stood in the north part of Oregon until about 20 years or so ago...About 10 years ago a fellow member of the Lincoln Railfans Club and I drove to Oregon and by advance arrangement had a guided tour by a then
80 plus year old resident who had personal memories of the line.
If this image is after 1918 I'm going to be mighty embarrassed, but I'm convinced that that is a train we're looking at behind the depot.
In seasons of the year when the vegetation is off you can still see the old grade running south out of Forest City, climbing the bluff.
This is the only photo that I have ever seen of an Oregon Interurban train at Forest City...
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Group - Thanks to everyone who has contributed images, links and other information about the ex-Q Class H 2-6-0 types that worked
out their service lives on the Wyoming Railway. All very interesting information. I'm now inserting and attaching an image of CB&Q No. 1151 before it was sold in 1927 to the Wyoming Central as their No. 104. The undated image shows 1151 powering a passenger
train at Forest City, MO:
The 1151 was constructed at the Aurora Shops in 1898. I'm also attaching a spreadsheet contributed by Group member Ken Martin giving
a roster of Wyoming Railway locomotives and rolling stock. Ken said to credit the spreadsheet information to Bill Tulley. If any one else has images of Wyoming Central 2-6-0's while they were still CB&Q locomotives, those I would enjoy seeing. Best Regards
- Louis
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