Re: [CBQ] Re: Terminal Transfers

["qutlx1@aol.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

Tom,

You have laid out my understanding of what I refer to the "flip" at every six month interval.Its my understanding which direction each road went w/c lite was the change.

Since Pete has me wondering if the flip did exist I am going to try and contact two guys I know who worked the Chgo terminal,one for the Q and one for the CNW.

I can say that in the early to mid 70s it was routine to see numerous foreign road cabooses and power at Cicero. The ice house trks. Just west of the roundhouse at Clyde was a favorite place to park foreign cabooses who's crews had died on the hog law. Of course if it was a nice caboose there was nothing keeping Cicero from using it.The yard office locker area in D yard was the gathering spot for those crews waiting on transportation back to their yards.the 74-75 recession seemed to me to be the shift point; as I recall sitting in Clyde roundhouse office looking at the assignment board noting that the number of jobs had dropped from the mid 70s in number to the high 40s for the yard crews.

Sometime in the late 70s we started making road crew deliveries of unit coal trains.Then it's my

Understanding that over time as loose car business faded that business was all centralized at the BRC clearing yard. Also in the later 70s some eastbound trains became solid trains for PC.

And were run down the mains at Cicero where a yard crew would take over for the delivery.

Other than seeing the BN Savanna switch crew go over and come back from the Milw I can't say what else occurred on transfers there.

Leo Phillipp

On Dec 11, 2014, at 8:03 AM, "thommack@yahoo.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Leo,

I am confused as well but this topic is very important to me now that I am back to working on my HO layout and Savanna yard. If I understand this right:

1. Railroad A pulls a transfer to Railroad B's yard and drops them off. Returns waycar lite (nice touch BTW for modeling).

2. Railroad B pulls a transfer to Railroad A's yard and returns waycar lite.

Makes sense so far because each road will no doubt do their transfer at the most advantageous time for them to move the most cars over in one move (so will depend on their schedule for trains arriving at their own yard) and the railroad will try to move as many cars off their property to the other railroad to make the most of (or should I say least of?) per diem charges.

Now the confusion. What happens six months later? The only way I figured it could change was if:

1. Railroad A runs to Railroad B's yard waycar lite and returns with the Railroad A transfer cars.

2. Railroad B runs to Railroad A's yard waycar lite and returns with the Railroad B transfer cars.

Otherwise, it would seem the same thing always happens. Or is the 6 month rule simply that a new agreement had to be executed every 6 months as a matter of legality to keep the transfer operations going?

Does anyone know when this type arrangement ceased? Would it have been going on in the late 60's? Leo, do you know if this was the arrangement between the Q and MILW in Savanna?

Thanks for everyone's input on this!

Tom Mack

Cincinnati, OH

---In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, <doug.harding@...> wrote :

Leo I am still confused. I do not work for a railroad, so maybe I am missing something. If there is a six-month agreement in place that permits only one railroad to work a certain job, that makes sense, but only if that job does the work of both railroads. But what you have described sounds like only part of the work is being done. If the agreement for six months, allows railroad A to take cars to railroad B’s yard as a transfer run and returns lite, how do the cars from B’s yard get to A’s yard? A is returning lite, ie no cars.

 

You say Railroad B takes cars to A’s yard and returns lite. If each road returns lite, what purpose is there for a six month agreement? Unless it’s only purpose is to determine which railroad gets to deliver cars just prior to midnight. If that is the purpose of the six month agreement that was nowhere indicated in the original message, or subsequent messages.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:24 PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Terminal Transfers

 

 

Also this may help clarify the practice. Keep in mind the per diem rules; he who holds the car at midnight gets another days per diem charged to their account. So if A delivers a block of cars to B prior to midnight, the cars in B's yard are not going to make it to A's yard if B depends on A to get them there by midnight.

 

Leo Phillipp

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