Re: [CBQ] Re: The angle of the slant?

[Stephen Levine <sjl_prodigynet@yahoo.com>]

Actually, the design of the E6 originated with the EAs delivered to the Baltimore and Ohio, although the design of the locomotives delivered to the UP for passenger trains, such as the City of Denver in 1936 had a resemblance. The E3 originally was supposed to have the recessed headlight of the EA and E1, but instead got the protruding headlight that remained with the Es throughout their subsequent production.

I believe the shovel nosed cabs for the E5s were nixed due to an agreement with the Union to not use front end cabs on any new power due to safety issues. I also believe this agreement precluded the Q from purchasing any RDCs.

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From: Dale Reeves <drale99@roadrunner.com>;
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: The angle of the slant?
Sent: Sat, Dec 29, 2012 5:28:50 PM

 

I have always understood that the E5 was intentionally designed to mimic the
PZ, not only the nose but also the fluting and other aspects. The painted
grill is an obvious takeoff, as well as the height of the nose. I always
thought the design of the E6 was influenced by the E5, not the other way
around.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Barber" <clipperw@gmail.com>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: [CBQ] Re: The angle of the slant?

Brian and Charlie,

Keep in mind that the E5 carbody design really came from the slightly
earlier E3 and was, in fact, a variation of the E6 which was the next
generation of Es. The E3 and the shovel nose designs were close
contemporaries and very well could have been designed by the same
engineer(s). I believe the E3 carbody design was done by EMC engineers. I am
not certain about the early shovel nose Zephyr design. Was that EMC work or
Budd work or a combination. When the Pioneer Zephyr and it's early mates
were built, EMC was just an engineering company. It didn't manufacture
anything. All the actual manufacturing was subbed out. By the time that the
DZ came along in 1936, some assembly of the power units was done in the new
La Grange facility. There are published photos showing that assembly
process. In my opinion, it is quite possible that the slant angle on the
Zephyrs and the early E models were the same, simply because they were
designed by the same people.

Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO

On Dec 28, 2012, at 9:38 PM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Re: The angle of the slant?
> Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:38 pm (PST) . Posted by:"Charlie Vlk" n_cbqguyI believe
> that the Pioneer Zephyr heavily influenced the design of the E
> unit nose. The cab was elevated to the position of the UP City power cars
> and that yielded the carbody design. Some of the earlier attempts were
> more UP-ish; lucky the Zephyrs provided a better basis for the early Es.
>
> Charlie Vlk
>
> Is it just me or does the nose of the E5 have the same angle of slant as
> the
> nose of the Pioneer Zephry? I had them parked side by side on my layout
> they
> sure looked similiar.
>
> Brian Durham

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