Re: [CBQ] Re: The angle of the slant?

[John Manion <railbass@comcast.net>]

Hol -

I believe the angle of the E5 nose was the same angle as the production E6, which began construction in Nov 1939 and extended until September 1942.   The E5s were built during 1940 and 1941 with identical internal and electrical mechanisms to the E6s.   Comparing the E6 drawing in MR Cyclopedia- Vol 2 (p. 71) with the E5 drawing in Mainline Modeler, Nov 2003 (p. 25), the angles appear identical.   I am building two E5 A-B sets with Proto 2000 E6 models.

- John Manion

  Denver, CO 

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM, HOL WAGNER <holpennywagner@msn.com> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from HOL WAGNER included below]

And don't forget that original design drawings for the E5 show it as a shovelnose.  And then there was the gawdawful version seen in the attached rendering.
 
Hol
 

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To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: drale99@roadrunner.com
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:28:50 -0500
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: The angle of the slant?

 

I have always understood that the E5 was intentionally designed to mimic the
PZ, not only the nose but also the fluting and other aspects. The painted
grill is an obvious takeoff, as well as the height of the nose. I always
thought the design of the E6 was influenced by the E5, not the other way
around.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Barber" <clipperw@gmail.com>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: [CBQ] Re: The angle of the slant?

Brian and Charlie,

Keep in mind that the E5 carbody design really came from the slightly
earlier E3 and was, in fact, a variation of the E6 which was the next
generation of Es. The E3 and the shovel nose designs were close
contemporaries and very well could have been designed by the same
engineer(s). I believe the E3 carbody design was done by EMC engineers. I am
not certain about the early shovel nose Zephyr design. Was that EMC work or
Budd work or a combination. When the Pioneer Zephyr and it's early mates
were built, EMC was just an engineering company. It didn't manufacture
anything. All the actual manufacturing was subbed out. By the time that the
DZ came along in 1936, some assembly of the power units was done in the new
La Grange facility. There are published photos showing that assembly
process. In my opinion, it is quite possible that the slant angle on the
Zephyrs and the early E models were the same, simply because they were
designed by the same people.

Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO

On Dec 28, 2012, at 9:38 PM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Re: The angle of the slant?
> Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:38 pm (PST) . Posted by:"Charlie Vlk" n_cbqguyI believe
> that the Pioneer Zephyr heavily influenced the design of the E
> unit nose. The cab was elevated to the position of the UP City power cars
> and that yielded the carbody design. Some of the earlier attempts were
> more UP-ish; lucky the Zephyrs provided a better basis for the early Es.
>
> Charlie Vlk
>
> Is it just me or does the nose of the E5 have the same angle of slant as
> the
> nose of the Pioneer Zephry? I had them parked side by side on my layout
> they
> sure looked similiar.
>
> Brian Durham

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