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Re: Fwd: [CBQ] Re: Boyer speed recorders

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Subject: Re: Fwd: [CBQ] Re: Boyer speed recorders
From: dhartman@mchsi.com
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:40:06 +0000
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And it sounds like the RR's have taken the "just culture" philosophy in place at the airlines and FAA (admitting mistakes without discipline taken in order to make a system safer, to promote broad learning from bad procedures or mistakes) too far in the wrong direction.
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From: STEVEN HOLDING <sholding@sbcglobal.net>
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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:16:48 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Fwd: [CBQ] Re: Boyer speed recorders

 

Thank you Karl.  You hit the nail right on the head. 
As a Dispatcher you had to multitask in reading, writing listening to repeats and the radio all at the same time while figuring out what you were going to do next with many trains and all while watching the CTC and figuring out how to make moves and keep the trains moving.  You had to take the HARD days along with the easy days and keep going.  Be able to make that call to the Supt. with the bad news and tell him your plan to keep it rolling.  Only to have your relief walk in say get out of the chair and go home.  As it was his turn to battle the dragon.
Steve in SC



From: Karl <qrailroadman@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sat, November 24, 2012 10:04:39 AM
Subject: Fwd: [CBQ] Re: Boyer speed recorders

 

A discussion of "how things were" and how this ARE is an entire subject unto itself! The changes since the "Smoke 'em down the westbound, kid" days and today go well beyond "dramatic", they're revolutionary ! Even I will admit that we made profligate use of resources but, it was FUN !!!! A tempering of train handling "techniques" was probably in order and appropriate but the degree to which we have evolved has, in this guy's opinion, gone "over the edge" in the opposite direction. In todays RR environment "following the rules" has BECOME the job, whereas, runnin' the ENGINE used to be the job. Even the slighest infraction MUST be "confessed" to a supervisor so that, if a review of your trip data should reveal this "infraction", you will not be deemed "DISHONEST" for having failed to turn yourself in, so to speak. It kinda goes without saying that I'd be quite "uncomfortable" with things as they "are".

I'm done.

Karl

--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, dhartman@... wrote:
>
> Thanks. I guess I kind of knew that. Leo's probably correct in his airline analogy. Better for efficiency, investment, etc. But losing a lot, also (and I know you're smiling, Karl).
>
> Does anyone know how tight they keep things - how much slack they cut engineers on running?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Barber <clipperw@...>
> Sender: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:08:46
> To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re:Fwd: [CBQ] Re: Boyer speed recorders
>
> Doug,
>
> Modern locomotives have a computer style hard drive which can be removed. In most cases, they can record several days worth of data. They monitor a number of different functions and activities. The hard drive can be downloaded or removed, which usually occurs after an incident. Man locomotives also have forward facing cameras that run continuously with the data also stored on a drive. In addition, GPS is available on most locomotives so that train location and progress can be monitored. Finally, some locomotives are equipped with system that offload locomotive health data while en route. This data often goes back to the mechanical department and the locomotive manufacturer for analysis.
>
> Bill Barber
> Gravois Mills, MO
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:20 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> > Re: Fwd: [CBQ] Re: Boyer speed recorders
> > Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:04 am (PST) . Posted by:"dhartman@..." douglas_p_hartmanAnd on the subject of Big Brother, do they still have speed recorders? Something electronic? Or do they use GPS?
> >
> > And, as Steve and others well know, there were rarely any secrets from dispatchers. Funny how we would get further down the line for meets with some engineers rather than others ;)
> >
> > Doug
>



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