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Phil Weibler is really your "go to guy" on this matter..Maybe he will come on and enlighten you guys.
It does seem to me that I recall seeing an article in TRAINS sometime shortly after the new West Quincy Station and the new trackage were put into operation. It detailed the whole thing as to how it was orignally and the somewhat bizzare maneuvers a train had to go through to get from the Brookfield sub, across the river and through Quincy...Check TRAINS, maybe sometime in late 53 or early 54..seems there were detailed maps and verbal descriptions as to what the operation was.
Pete
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From: bsrls <bsrls@aol.com> To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:12 pm Subject: [CBQ] Re: Tracks at Quincy Thanks Larry. A few days will be fine.
Bill --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Larry Stoll <larry.stoll@...> wrote: > > I will have to look thru the things I have and see what I can find, but it > might be a few days before I can. > > I think I have a 1924 map (not track chart) of the Quincy yard, I will > check. > > Larry > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:45 PM, <bsrls@...> wrote: > > > Larry, > > > > Thanks for your response. You confirm what I was already thinking > > particularly in regards to the what the required grade would have been. The > > only elevation data that I have is from USGS Topo maps and in that area > > they are very vague about the track elevation in the bottoms area but it > > appears as though the gradient would be well in excess of 2%. > > > > I have produced a map of the West Quincy - Quincy area showing the routing > > of the Zephyr-Rocket through Quincy for inclusion in the next Terminal > > Railroad of St. Louis Historical and Technical Society magazine due out > > this fall around Thanksgiving and it will feature an in depth account of > > the Zephyr-Rocket. While researching the map the presence of the > > connection was suggested but so far I have found nothing to confirm its > > existence. It is a very small detail for the Z-R route map but I do like > > to make my maps as accurate as I can and besides the almost bizarre layout > > at Quincy has really piqued my interest & curiosity. I do not model at > > present, but if I did this area would certainly have some attractions to > > include in a layout. I have a pretty good idea on how the passenger trains > > operated through here but so far I can only speculate as to how freight > > traffic was handled. > > > > Do you by any chance have a pre-1960 track chart of Quincy showing either > > the Galesburg main line or the Carthage Sub in the vicinity of Carthage > > Jct.? I would be particularly interested to see the profile elevations. I > > do have Hannibal Division charts from 1967 that includes a short piece of > > the Galesburg mainline across the river with profiles but not the Carthage > > Sub tracks. > > > > Larry, thanks again for your help. > > > > Best. > > Bill Saenger > > > > --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Larry Stoll <larry.stoll@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > As far as I can recall, that connection isn't on any of the few track > > > charts that I have. > > > > > > The height difference between the Carthage line and the Galesburg line at > > > that point, I believe, would have been a bit much for a connection like > > > your dotted line. > > > > > > When the new railroad river bridge was built, that area was redone and > > the > > > Carthage line went up to meet the Galesburg line which came down a bit. > > > > > > I don't believe the connection ever existed, but I may be wrong. > > > > > > Are you modelling the Carthage line? > > > > > > Larry Stoll > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:09 PM, <bsrls@> wrote: > > > > > > > List, > > > > > > > > I have a question(s) about the track layout at Quincy, Illinois. Due > > to > > > > conditions of topography and the need to cross the Mississippi River > > the > > > > track arrangement was unusual. I made a map showing the basic track > > layout > > > > based on a CB&Q Valuation Section Map from 1919. This map is the only > > > > document that I have showing this area prior to the 1960's. A copy is > > > > posted to the files section in a Folder titled "Quincy Tracks". > > > > > > > > In 1953 the loop track was removed from service thus eliminating one > > route > > > > for crossing the Mississippi River. In 1960 a new Mississippi River > > Bridge > > > > was completed and it provided a direct connection with the mainline > > from > > > > Galesburg. > > > > > > > > It has been suggested that there was a connecting track between the > > main > > > > line from Galesburg to the Carthage Subdivision track just north of > > > > Carthage Junction at some time prior to 1960. This connection is > > shown as > > > > a dashed line on my map and is not shown on the 1919 CB&Q map. > > > > > > > > Such a connection would make sense allowing trains to cross the river > > > > without going through the Quincy Terminal area except that it would > > have > > > > had to run from the top of the bluff to the bottoms in a relatively > > short > > > > distance likely requiring a very steep grade. > > > > > > > > So, the questions are did such a connection ever exist? If so, when? > > If > > > > not, would the resulting steepness been a reason to precluded its use. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any help with these questions. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Bill Saenger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > __._,_.___
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