Thanks Larry. A few days will be fine.
Bill
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Larry Stoll <larry.stoll@...> wrote:
>
> I will have to look thru the things I have and see what I can find, but it
> might be a few days before I can.
>
> I think I have a 1924 map (not track chart) of the Quincy yard, I will
> check.
>
> Larry
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:45 PM, <bsrls@...> wrote:
>
> > Larry,
> >
> > Thanks for your response. You confirm what I was already thinking
> > particularly in regards to the what the required grade would have been. The
> > only elevation data that I have is from USGS Topo maps and in that area
> > they are very vague about the track elevation in the bottoms area but it
> > appears as though the gradient would be well in excess of 2%.
> >
> > I have produced a map of the West Quincy - Quincy area showing the routing
> > of the Zephyr-Rocket through Quincy for inclusion in the next Terminal
> > Railroad of St. Louis Historical and Technical Society magazine due out
> > this fall around Thanksgiving and it will feature an in depth account of
> > the Zephyr-Rocket. While researching the map the presence of the
> > connection was suggested but so far I have found nothing to confirm its
> > existence. It is a very small detail for the Z-R route map but I do like
> > to make my maps as accurate as I can and besides the almost bizarre layout
> > at Quincy has really piqued my interest & curiosity. I do not model at
> > present, but if I did this area would certainly have some attractions to
> > include in a layout. I have a pretty good idea on how the passenger trains
> > operated through here but so far I can only speculate as to how freight
> > traffic was handled.
> >
> > Do you by any chance have a pre-1960 track chart of Quincy showing either
> > the Galesburg main line or the Carthage Sub in the vicinity of Carthage
> > Jct.? I would be particularly interested to see the profile elevations. I
> > do have Hannibal Division charts from 1967 that includes a short piece of
> > the Galesburg mainline across the river with profiles but not the Carthage
> > Sub tracks.
> >
> > Larry, thanks again for your help.
> >
> > Best.
> > Bill Saenger
> >
> > --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Larry Stoll <larry.stoll@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > As far as I can recall, that connection isn't on any of the few track
> > > charts that I have.
> > >
> > > The height difference between the Carthage line and the Galesburg line at
> > > that point, I believe, would have been a bit much for a connection like
> > > your dotted line.
> > >
> > > When the new railroad river bridge was built, that area was redone and
> > the
> > > Carthage line went up to meet the Galesburg line which came down a bit.
> > >
> > > I don't believe the connection ever existed, but I may be wrong.
> > >
> > > Are you modelling the Carthage line?
> > >
> > > Larry Stoll
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:09 PM, <bsrls@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > List,
> > > >
> > > > I have a question(s) about the track layout at Quincy, Illinois. Due
> > to
> > > > conditions of topography and the need to cross the Mississippi River
> > the
> > > > track arrangement was unusual. I made a map showing the basic track
> > layout
> > > > based on a CB&Q Valuation Section Map from 1919. This map is the only
> > > > document that I have showing this area prior to the 1960's. A copy is
> > > > posted to the files section in a Folder titled "Quincy Tracks".
> > > >
> > > > In 1953 the loop track was removed from service thus eliminating one
> > route
> > > > for crossing the Mississippi River. In 1960 a new Mississippi River
> > Bridge
> > > > was completed and it provided a direct connection with the mainline
> > from
> > > > Galesburg.
> > > >
> > > > It has been suggested that there was a connecting track between the
> > main
> > > > line from Galesburg to the Carthage Subdivision track just north of
> > > > Carthage Junction at some time prior to 1960. This connection is
> > shown as
> > > > a dashed line on my map and is not shown on the 1919 CB&Q map.
> > > >
> > > > Such a connection would make sense allowing trains to cross the river
> > > > without going through the Quincy Terminal area except that it would
> > have
> > > > had to run from the top of the bluff to the bottoms in a relatively
> > short
> > > > distance likely requiring a very steep grade.
> > > >
> > > > So, the questions are did such a connection ever exist? If so, when?
> > If
> > > > not, would the resulting steepness been a reason to precluded its use.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance for any help with these questions.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Bill Saenger
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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