Duncan,
In 1962, looking at the American Royal Zephyr schedule, what you
suggest probably was the case. The westbound American Royal did not
arrive at West Quincy until after the eastbound left, so the
diner-lounge from northbound Zephyr-Rocket would need to be used for
the eastbound American Royal.
Also, there was through express car service offered daily from St
Louis to Chicago, so there were already switching moves that needed
to be made at West Quincy.
I agree with John Mitchell that the diner in 1960 could just go on
to Burlington being closed for service.
Bill
On 2/10/2012 4:01 PM, Duncan Cameron wrote:
So what we have is apparently
this:
May,1957 to spring, 1960 --
dining service is provided on the Zephyr Rocket both
directions between Burlington & St. Louis. The car is taken to Chicago on #15 and
may be brought from Chicago on #2.
Spring, 1960 -- #15 and #2 are
cut back to Chicago to Galesburg and by September the Official
Guide shows dining service being provided northbound St. Louis
to Burlington but southbound only from West Quincy to St.
Louis. Any other routing for the car unknown.
May, 1962 -- dining service is
reduced to St. Louis to West Quincy both ways and the car may
be riding between Chicago and West Quincy on the American
Royal Zephyr.
Spring, 1963 -- the service is
eliminated completely.
If anyone can confirm any of this
or fill in any blanks (especially between 1960 and 1962),
please do.
Duncan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 10,
2012 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re:
Zephyr Rocket/American Royal Zephyr
Duncan,
I do not have the timetable, but I have an Official Guide
from September 1960. It shows Train 2 originated in
Galesburg and Train 15 terminated in Galesburg. The
interesting thing was the Official Guide showed that the
Zephyr-Rocket carried a diner northbound St Louis-Burlington
and southbound West Quincy-St Louis.
Bill
On 2/10/2012 7:37 AM, Duncan Cameron wrote:
Bill, could I ask you to
check one more detail for me? I lack a timetable for
1959-1960.
You stated that, by May,
1961, train #15 from Chicago was only going to
Galesburg.
I have in my notes that #41
& #42 on the K-line were discontinued by May, 1960
but can't confirm that with a timetable. If the info I have is correct, then
#2 & #15 continued to run Chicago to Burlington for
a year without continuing down the K-line, unless its
possible that #15 was cut back in 1960 rather than
1961. However, I may be wrong in the date I have for
the discontinuance of #41 & #42. That's what I need
to firm up.
Regardless of when #41
& #42 stopped running though, it seems that the ZR
diner came out from Chicago on #15 from May, 1957 until
the reduction in service of #15. That leaves either one
year or two before the diner service on the ZR was
reduced to St. Louis to West Quincy. Did the diner
still come out from Chicago during that time? If so,
what was its routing? If not, where was it serviced?
More mysteries to be solved.
Duncan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday,
February 09, 2012 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ]
Re: Zephyr Rocket/American Royal Zephyr
Duncan,
Not with the same number. The Chicago-Hannibal service
started in the summer of 1947 with the idea of being a
long distance commuter service. The idea is that
people outside to Chicago could make a long day of it
by traveling in the morning, having a couple hours in
Chicago, and then returning in the evening. This is
discussed in Richard Overton's History of the
Burlington Lines book. The train was listed as 15-42
west/southbound and 41-2 north/eastbound.
By 1951, Zephyr 9902 was handling this service. On the
Hannibal sub, the northbound was Train 41 and the
southbound Train 42. On the Chicago-Burlington
portion, it was Train 2 eastbound and Train 15
westbound. The Chicago-Burlington Train 15 also made
the connection with the northbound Zephyr-Rocket (also
Train 15) at Burlington. Parlor car service was
provided both directions. Zephyr 9902 offered dinette
service both ways. After Zephyr 9902 was replaced,
dining service was offered on the evening westbound
Train 15.
I've always thought that Burlington was an interesting
place in the post World War II era because they had
two different #1's and two different #15's stop at the
station going different directions.
Bill Hirt
On 2/9/2012 4:25 PM, Duncan Cameron wrote:
Bill, does that mean
that #15 travelled Chicago-Burlington-Hannibal?
Duncan
----- Original Message
-----
Sent: Thursday,
February 09, 2012 4:39 PM
Subject: Re:
[CBQ] Re: Zephyr Rocket/American Royal Zephyr
Duncan,
On the May-October 1961 time period, looking
again, by that time Train 15 had been cut back
to Chicago-Galesburg instead of
Chicago-Hannibal. So no more diner coming into
Burlington on Train 15 and then going south on
Train 8. I have some Official Guides from the
period. If I get a chance, I'll look to see if
they have some additional information.
Bill
On 2/8/2012 6:24 PM, Duncan Cameron wrote:
Bill, that's
exactly the kind of original source info I
was hoping someone could come up with.
Thanks. So it
appears that the kind of exchange that Steve
Suhs described could well have taken place,
but likely did not involve a Vista-dome car,
at least on a regular basis.
Duncan
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