So what we have is apparently this:
May,1957 to spring, 1960 -- dining service is
provided on the Zephyr Rocket both directions between Burlington & St.
Louis. The car is taken to Chicago on #15
and may be brought from Chicago on #2.
Spring, 1960 -- #15 and #2 are cut back to Chicago
to Galesburg and by September the Official Guide shows dining service being
provided northbound St. Louis to Burlington but southbound only from West Quincy
to St. Louis. Any other routing for the car unknown.
May, 1962 -- dining service is reduced to St. Louis
to West Quincy both ways and the car may be riding between Chicago and West
Quincy on the American Royal Zephyr.
Spring, 1963 -- the service is eliminated
completely.
If anyone can confirm any of this or fill in any
blanks (especially between 1960 and 1962), please do.
Duncan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:25
PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Zephyr
Rocket/American Royal Zephyr
Duncan,
I do not have the timetable, but I have an Official Guide
from September 1960. It shows Train 2 originated in Galesburg and Train 15
terminated in Galesburg. The interesting thing was the Official Guide showed
that the Zephyr-Rocket carried a diner northbound St Louis-Burlington and
southbound West Quincy-St Louis.
Bill
On 2/10/2012 7:37 AM,
Duncan Cameron wrote:
Bill, could I ask you to check one
more detail for me? I lack a timetable for 1959-1960.
You stated that, by May, 1961, train #15
from Chicago was only going to Galesburg.
I have in my notes that #41 & #42 on the
K-line were discontinued by May, 1960 but can't confirm that with a
timetable. If the info I have is
correct, then #2 & #15 continued to run Chicago to Burlington for a year
without continuing down the K-line, unless its possible that #15 was cut
back in 1960 rather than 1961. However, I may be wrong in the date I
have for the discontinuance of #41 & #42. That's what I need to
firm up.
Regardless of when #41 & #42 stopped
running though, it seems that the ZR diner came out from Chicago on #15 from
May, 1957 until the reduction in service of #15. That leaves either
one year or two before the diner service on the ZR was reduced to St. Louis
to West Quincy. Did the diner still come out from Chicago during that
time? If so, what was its routing? If not, where was it
serviced? More mysteries to be solved.
Duncan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012
9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Zephyr
Rocket/American Royal Zephyr
Duncan,
Not with the same number. The Chicago-Hannibal service
started in the summer of 1947 with the idea of being a long distance
commuter service. The idea is that people outside to Chicago could make a
long day of it by traveling in the morning, having a couple hours in
Chicago, and then returning in the evening. This is discussed in Richard
Overton's History of the Burlington Lines book. The train was listed as
15-42 west/southbound and 41-2 north/eastbound.
By 1951, Zephyr
9902 was handling this service. On the Hannibal sub, the northbound was
Train 41 and the southbound Train 42. On the Chicago-Burlington portion,
it was Train 2 eastbound and Train 15 westbound. The Chicago-Burlington
Train 15 also made the connection with the northbound Zephyr-Rocket (also
Train 15) at Burlington. Parlor car service was provided both directions.
Zephyr 9902 offered dinette service both ways. After Zephyr 9902 was
replaced, dining service was offered on the evening westbound Train
15.
I've always thought that Burlington was an interesting place in
the post World War II era because they had two different #1's and two
different #15's stop at the station going different
directions.
Bill Hirt
On 2/9/2012 4:25 PM, Duncan Cameron
wrote:
Bill, does that mean that #15 travelled
Chicago-Burlington-Hannibal?
Duncan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012
4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Zephyr
Rocket/American Royal Zephyr
Duncan,
On the May-October 1961 time period, looking again,
by that time Train 15 had been cut back to Chicago-Galesburg instead
of Chicago-Hannibal. So no more diner coming into Burlington on Train
15 and then going south on Train 8. I have some Official Guides from
the period. If I get a chance, I'll look to see if they have some
additional information.
Bill
On 2/8/2012 6:24 PM, Duncan
Cameron wrote:
Bill, that's exactly the kind of
original source info I was hoping someone could come up
with.
Thanks. So it appears that the
kind of exchange that Steve Suhs described could well have taken
place, but likely did not involve a Vista-dome car, at least on a
regular basis.
Duncan
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