Bill, could I ask you to check one more detail for
me? I lack a timetable for 1959-1960.
You stated that, by May, 1961, train #15 from
Chicago was only going to Galesburg.
I have in my notes that #41 & #42 on the K-line
were discontinued by May, 1960 but can't confirm that with a timetable.
If the info I have is correct, then #2 & #15
continued to run Chicago to Burlington for a year without continuing down the
K-line, unless its possible that #15 was cut back in 1960 rather than
1961. However, I may be wrong in the date I have for the discontinuance of
#41 & #42. That's what I need to firm up.
Regardless of when #41 & #42 stopped running
though, it seems that the ZR diner came out from Chicago on #15 from May, 1957
until the reduction in service of #15. That leaves either one year or two
before the diner service on the ZR was reduced to St. Louis to West
Quincy. Did the diner still come out from Chicago during that time?
If so, what was its routing? If not, where was it serviced? More
mysteries to be solved.
Duncan
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Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:04
PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Zephyr
Rocket/American Royal Zephyr
Duncan,
Not with the same number. The Chicago-Hannibal service
started in the summer of 1947 with the idea of being a long distance commuter
service. The idea is that people outside to Chicago could make a long day of
it by traveling in the morning, having a couple hours in Chicago, and then
returning in the evening. This is discussed in Richard Overton's History of
the Burlington Lines book. The train was listed as 15-42 west/southbound and
41-2 north/eastbound.
By 1951, Zephyr 9902 was handling this service.
On the Hannibal sub, the northbound was Train 41 and the southbound Train 42.
On the Chicago-Burlington portion, it was Train 2 eastbound and Train 15
westbound. The Chicago-Burlington Train 15 also made the connection with the
northbound Zephyr-Rocket (also Train 15) at Burlington. Parlor car service was
provided both directions. Zephyr 9902 offered dinette service both ways. After
Zephyr 9902 was replaced, dining service was offered on the evening westbound
Train 15.
I've always thought that Burlington was an interesting place
in the post World War II era because they had two different #1's and two
different #15's stop at the station going different directions.
Bill
Hirt
On 2/9/2012 4:25 PM, Duncan Cameron wrote:
Bill, does that mean that #15
travelled Chicago-Burlington-Hannibal?
Duncan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012
4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Zephyr
Rocket/American Royal Zephyr
Duncan,
On the May-October 1961 time period, looking again, by
that time Train 15 had been cut back to Chicago-Galesburg instead of
Chicago-Hannibal. So no more diner coming into Burlington on Train 15 and
then going south on Train 8. I have some Official Guides from the period.
If I get a chance, I'll look to see if they have some additional
information.
Bill
On 2/8/2012 6:24 PM, Duncan Cameron wrote:
Bill, that's exactly the kind of original
source info I was hoping someone could come up with.
Thanks. So it appears that the kind
of exchange that Steve Suhs described could well have taken place, but
likely did not involve a Vista-dome car, at least on a regular
basis.
Duncan
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