Gerald and all- In the Army (ASA) in Korea, we intercepted the Chinese who
used international morse code. They did have some 2 & 3-letter groups that
had special meaning that we learned.
In relation to speed, we usually knew if the message was long or possibly
important because the sender would slow-down the message after he made the
contact with the receiver. Getting the message right the first time was
important. Now back to RR-
I worked at Kurth Malting in Mpls in mid 1960's during the time of change-over
from receiving barley from the country elevators from box cars to covered
hoppers. The company's terminal elevator was in the city, like the other malt
companies. By some agreement, we could reject a "plugged" car. (Plugged with
pockets of dust or junk by the country elevator.) So all of the barley for the
3 malthouses Kurth operated was received, cleaned and graded in Minneapolis.
The larger sized A and B was shipped on or used in Mpls. Most of the smaller C
barley was shipped to Duluth for export. Outgoing cars were always covered
hoppers. So, the tail tracks filled with empty boxes for the GN to remove as
they brought in more hoppers, usually Soo or Milw. Our Elevator Sup spent lots
of time on phone with GN to get cars delivered for both loading and unloading.
This really changed when barley started coming in by hoppers. Unloading was so
much different and much faster as the crew did not need to break or remove the
grain-doors, etc. Then, all the men needed to do was blow-out the dust and move
the hopper to the load-out track. No more tail-track full of box cars!
BTW- Kurth has since gone out of business.
Bob
> To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
> From: vje68@hotmail.com
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:06:49 -0600
> Subject: RE: [CBQ] Re: various types of Morse code
>
>
> So-called Continental Morse was created by a German by the name of Gerhke
> (sp?) & evolved into or became the same as International Morse.
> ("Continental" often being a term used by Americans to describe something
> from Europe, i.e. the Continent) as opposed to being of American origin.
>
> Thus for all intents & purposes for nearly a century there have been 2 Morse
> code systems, American & International with a few variances within countries
> with odd alphabets. I know from experience working in Air Force intelligence
> during 'Nam, the Red Chinese & Russians had slight variations from each other
> so it made it easy to tell one from the other BUT both were using
> International Morse Code. (an aside: it was a LOT easier for us to learn
> their lingo, ie. International Morse, than for them to learn the alphabet and
> relate it to their alphabet and send same via code. Then add in the fact our
> radios, antennas & satellites were/are far superior plus better cryptology,
> we knew far more about what they were up to then vice-a-versa such as when a
> new Mig was being shipped to China from Russia and possibly on to No.
> Vietnam) But back to RRing:
>
> My Christmas list to the gift will touch on code words used by CB&Q that
> allowed operators to communicate even faster; i.e. using a 4-6 letter 'word'
> to mean an entire phrase.
>
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> From: gbrewer@yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:49:25 +0000
> Subject: [CBQ] Re: FW: Morse Code: A Lost Language
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Nelson,
>
> I believe we have a confusion over names here. As I understand it, WU
> and the RRs used "American Morse", I'm not sure what the difference
> between International Morse and Continental Morse is, but neither is the
> same as American Morse. Just to confuse the issue further, I believe the
> old operators used the Philips Code as well. This was a shorthand for
> words and concepts (ie, -30- for end of message).
>
> Glen
> Railroad Glory Days <http://railroadglorydays.com>
>
> --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson Moyer" <ku0a@...> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, International Morse is faster to send and easier to copy at
> high
> > speed, where the spaces in Continental code get lost above 35-40 words
> per
> > minute. It takes longer to send C in Continental Morse at high speed
> because
> > you have to pause for the space. I timed myself send C using both
> codes to
> > verify that high speed Morse is really faster and more intelligible
> than
> > Continental Morse using an iambic keyer. Of course, if you're using a
> bug,
> > you can't send intelligible code above 35-40 wpm because the
> mechanical
> > action of the bug is the limiting factor. Bugs are instantly
> recognizable
> > because every operator has a distinctive 'fist'. With an iambic keyer,
> all
> > proficient operators sound alike. Code proficient hams routinely
> contest and
> > rag chew at 40 wpm. An exceptional few can copy International Morse in
> their
> > head at 55 wpm. I don't know anybody that can send or receive
> Continental
> > Morse at that speed. I think Continental Morse was a hold-over from
> the
> > early telegraph days when the sounders couldn't send dashes, only
> clicks,
> > and the spaces between the clicks carried intelligence. Once it was
> possible
> > to send dashes, Continental Morse was abandoned in favor of
> International
> > Morse because it is faster and easier to send and easier to copy,
> especially
> > when sent using an iambic keyer. Morse code isn't a "lost language",
> it's
> > just that fewer people are learning it since the Navy and Coast Guard
> > stopped using it and FCC dropped the code requirement for amateur
> radio
> > licenses. Most of my radio contacts are in Morse code, and I prefer it
> to
> > voice communication because it's easier to work weak signals through
> the
> > noise using code.
> >
> > Nelson, KU0A
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> glen
> > brewer
> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:37 AM
> > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [CBQ] Re: FW: Morse Code: A Lost Language
> >
> >
> > --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Reeves" drale99@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Not accurate to say the codes are slightly different. Continental
> > Morse has
> > > fewer dashes, many letters different. Uses spaces, much faster.
> For
> > > instance, C is .. .., much faster than -.-.
> >
> > Dale,
> >
> > In conventional (land) Morse, a C is ".. ." vs "- . - ." in radio
> code.
> > The SOS well known as "... --- ..." in radio code, would be "... .
> .
> > ..." in Western Union or RR code. The real difference is that
> > International or Continental eliminated the pauses and elongated
> dashes
> > using only dots and dashes. Yes, quite a few letters are different.
> >
> > Glen
> > RailroadGloryDays.com <http://railroadglorydays.com>
> >
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