Charlie, it wasn't me who was curious about coaches turned into waycars. I was
thinking of the annual reports as a way of finding out things like when the
Keokuk freight house etc might have been built or removed.
No trip to a USA library planned in the near future.
Duncan
----- Original Message -----
From: cvlk
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] RE: Burlington Annual Reports
Duncan-
If you go to the Mercantile, and if you have time, could you see if they
might have anything on the CB&Q Dynamometer Car Z? It was built in July, 1884.
There is some evidence that a second car was built in July, 1885 (maybe the
Y??) but it may be a records error in the renumbering records as a steel scale
test car was built in 1885 and it could have been numbered Y....
I've already checked the 1895 Car Builders Cyclopedia and it isn't in there.
There should be coverage in the National Car and Locomotive Builder. It was
displayed at the Columbian Exhibition Worlds Fair in 1893 (exhibit #49) but an
English book on the transportation exhibits did not cover it. It is only
mentioned obliquely in the accounts of the Air Brake Trials at West Burlington
(usually as "Dynamometer Car" but a couple of times as "Car Z") but with no
illustrations of the car.
I am going to try to get to the Northwestern University Transportation Museum
soon to see what I can find.
What Coaches modified into what Waycars are you trying to document? If they
are the "Branchline Waycars" I believe most of them are known... Let me know
what you are looking for and I'll keep my eye out for the material if I don't
have it.
I found a few annual reports on Google Books..... 1855, 1872, 1910 ... by
searching Chicago, Burlington & Quincy, CB&Q, or Burlington.
I am pulling together a few CDs for Rupert of my downloads (including Chicago
Tribune newspaper articles of initerest) and have to organize the titles and
content as the way they are titled on Google Books is inconsistent and
everything needs to be renamed to keep straight.
There is a lot of material available if you experiment with different search
terms.... old trade journals, labor magazines, textbooks, Carbuilders
Cyclopedias, Railway Age, etc...
Charlie Vlk
----- Original Message -----
From: GLEN HAUG
To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:04 PM
Subject: [CBQ] RE: Burlington Annual Reports
Duncan:
If you are close to St. Louis, the Mercantile Library on the University of
Missouri, St. Louis campus has a hugh amount of material on railroads in
general, and specifically including Burlington Annual Reports, from the 1890's
to about 1958. I'm going on memory, so this may not be exactly correct, but
there are a lot of them. Gerald is correct. These AR's have a lot of useful
information, including statistical information on track construction, etc.
The Mercantile Library has a wonderful reading room, and the person in charge
of the railroad material (I don't remember his name) is very helpful, and can
direct you to where the AR's are kept. There is no charge for using the reading
room, and there is a place to plug in a lap-top computer. If you need to copy
anything, they will allow you to do this on your own for a reasonable charge
per copy.
There is a covered parking garage adjacent to the library. You need to get a
visitor's parking sticker from the University's transportation department,
which is located on the south edge of the campus, but it only costs $1 per day.
The campus is on the north side of St. Louis, only a few miles south of Lambert
International Airport.
Glen Haug
> To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
> From: vje68@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:48:54 -0600
> Subject: RE: [CBQ] Commercial Post - The Burlington Waycars
>
>
> I am uncertain as to whether BRHS archives have any but regardless, til we
find a permanent home for same, they are not readily accessible.
>
> CB&Q like many corporations, donated AR's ea yr to libraries in their area
(some of the 1st ones i acquired as a young man were surplus from my local
library!) If you have a University or major library in the area, check with
them.
>
> They can range in price (eBay, RR shows, etc) from $5-10 to $30 or more
depending on condition. Ironically many older ones sell for less than those
from late 50's/early 60's that were full color with many pics of rolling stock.
I've sold some in the past @ BRHS meets as have others.
>
> other RR's had equally good AR's although as with CB&Q, content varied from
decade to decade with some issues being largely financial data and others with
a lot of 'meat' for railfans.
>
>
> Gerald
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> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> From: d.cameron@sympatico.ca
> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:11:38 -0500
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Commercial Post - The Burlington Waycars
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> Gerald, Wow! What a source of info. I'd always assumed annual reports
> would be balance sheets and such. I'd never thought of them as a way to
> track the construction or installation of buildings and other facilities.
> How rare are they? Does the BRHS archives have any?
> Duncan Cameron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerald Edgar" <vje68@hotmail.com>
> To: <cbq@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: RE: [CBQ] Commercial Post - The Burlington Waycars
>
> >
> > In a word (whether coaches modified into Way Cars had their #'s shown):
> > no.
> >
> > I think CB&Q A.R.'s may be a good subject for a future Zephyr. (C&S/FtW&D
> > stat's are included in later yrs but also had supplements available in
> > some yrs)
> >
> > All issues are roughly two parts: prose as to how the past year went,
> > major initiatives, challenges etc and what plans are going forward and
> > then lots of financial statistics.
> >
> > Included are summary's of new track & signal work (and new passenger
train
> > service), bridges and major bldgs constructed (depots, frt houses, etc)
> > etc. Until the Murphy yrs there is seldom any mention of car #'s (very
> > early issues do have a fold out detailing every locomotive - this was the
> > source of the info Bernie Corbin had in his "Steam Loco's", i.e. he
> > xeroxed said pages.
> >
> > Sometimes A.R.'s will get fairly detailed (elevation work in Chicago &
> > Aurora) and other times fairly sketchy. When equipment is built, modified
> > or purchased (or scrapped), it's in terms of "16 boxcars, 3 coaches, etc"
> > with seldom much info beyond that, usually no mention of which commercial
> > builder (shop-built is always mentioned however). The summaries always do
> > included frt, pass AND MoW which is a plus. I had intended this past w/e
> > to look thru carefully for experimental gas/electric motive power per
> > Charlie's request. (my w/e ended up with a visit to my parents & a
> > depressing loss of our Hawkeyes to Northwestern so has been put off to
> > next w/e)
> >
> > My A.R. collection is scattered from 1862 to late 1870's and then nearly
a
> > solid 'run' to BN time. The odd year is 1916 when 2 A.R.'s were issued as
> > BR transitioned from a July to June Fiscal yr to a Calendar FY; photos
> > were not used til the PZ issue and then not again til 1949 with color
> > coming in under Murphy with his yrs being by far the best A.R.'s from a
> > railfan viewpoint although the detailed info as to carloadings in earlier
> > issues is diminished so is a trade-off.
> >
> >
> > Gerald
> >
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> >
> > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> > From: gamlenz@ihug.co.nz
> > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:05:37 +1300
> > Subject: Re: [CBQ] Commercial Post - The Burlington Waycars
> >
> >
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> >
> > Gerald
> >
> > I don't suppose it gave the numbers of the coaches?
> >
> > And whilst you are going through the Reports, could you keep an eye out
> > for a "scale test car", please. In 1901, there was one
> > listed in the ORER as 90152 but no indication, of course, of its origins.
> > Bulletin 27 identifies early C&S and FW&D scale cars as
> > being converted from a coach and a tender but no information about the
> > Burlington's one.
> >
> > Rupert Gamlen
> > Auckland NZ
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gerald Edgar" <vje68@hotmail.com>
> > To: <cbq@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:33 AM
> > Subject: RE: [CBQ] Commercial Post - The Burlington Waycars
> >
> >>
> >> GREAT!!!!
> >>
> >> AND hopefully not too late; going thur my OLD CB&Q A.R.'s (back to
> >> 1862) - first mention of "Waycars" in in Annual Rpt of 1868
> >> (printed late summer of 1868 as Fiscal yr was July to June says "two
> >> coaches converted to Way Car service" From this date forward
> >> "waycar" is the exclusive term, intially as two words, later as one.
From
> >> 1876 back the term is alwats "Conductor's cars".
> >>
> >> yes I know - why in heck didn't I notice this before????
> >>
> >>
> >> Gerald A. & Virginia J. Edgar
> >>
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