Keeley Cure...GOOGLE Keeley Cure and you'll find out all you would ever want to
know about the matter.
It did, indeed, begin in Dwight, IL and there is a museum and other "mementoes"
of the Keeley Institute there.
The treatment began by giving the "patient" all the alcohol he could imbibe and
then injecting him (or her) with bichloride of Gold and other chemicals.
Closing the file on this matter.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Dope Wagon
I did a little checking in my TREASURY OF RR FOLKLORE but couldn't find any
reference there...In a 1966 piece in Railroad Magazine by the late Bill Knapke
in a list of definitions he says...."Keeley Cure"...running a hot journal on
water"....? I'm sure that the Keeley Cure is the basis for the name? "Keeley"
for a makeshift "automatic" hotbox cooler.
In that same vain many locomotives had small spigots, one located over each
truck where a hose could be attached to "doctor" a hot journal on the
tender....A close look at a good photo will show these appurtenances.
I'm going to see what else of a definitive nature I can find on the "Keeley"
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast.net>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Dope Wagon
I *think* that Keely came from a quack that started in Dekalb or
thereabouts - and had dozens if not hundreds of clinics "for the
cure". Will have to look it up (the name would be what is wrong,
there was a "doctor" involved in such a cure, from along what is now
the I-88 corridor).
At 06:43 PM 3/6/2009, you wrote:
>Archie
>
>You get at least 50% credit...The keely, as I understand it, was a
>water can equipped with a hook so that it could be hung over a grab
>iron or any other protruding item on a car with a hose which could
>be extended down to the offending journal box.??
>
>As to the name my understanding is that the Keely was named for a
>long ago Water Cure for Alcoholism...Apparently? it involved
>drinking large quantities of water instead of the "fruit of the
>vine".? I believe the name pre dated any "current"? or even recent
>past railroad employee.
>
>I'll check my TREASURY OF RAILROAD FOLKLORE book for confirmation....
>
>The only knowledge I have of the Keely name is from reading about
>them in the old RAILROAD MAGAZINE stories.
>
>Pete
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Archie <kliner@mywdo.com>
>To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 5:55 pm
>Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Dope Wagon
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>Hot box water cooler? Named for Joe Keely 3rd trick dispatcher out
>of Ottumwa? Archie
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com
>To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Dope Wagon
>
>As a former "box packer" I can say with 9944%? certainty that what
>is referred to as a "dope wagon" would have been a cart to carry the
>waste "packing" used in friction bearings...Believe it or not at one
>time that's all there was....Dope was a term used for packing material.
>
>There was also a material called "dope" which was of the consistency
>of soft putty but water soluble.?When "suspended" or dissolved
>depending on your definition in water it produced an "emulsion"
>which was very slippery.?
>
>When you had a hotbox...anybody remember those....which you had
>repacked or even were trying to nurse to the next setout point you
>would put the fire out with water and then pull the old packing,
>which was usually imbeded with shreds of babbit.? You would then put
>in fresh packing and shove several "rods" of this dope into the
>journal box and thow in plenty of water.? The rods looked like
>candles and were 8-10 inches long.? The rods of dope would dissolve
>in the water and make a very slick emulsion which would both cool
>the overheated bearing and provide additional lubricaton and
>hopefully you could? nurse the car to the next place you could set
>it out, or even perhaps to the next terminal.
>
>The rod dope was extremely slimey and slick..Most trainmen would
>work it with their bare hands rather than with gloves on since it
>would usually ruin a pair of gloves
>
>By the way anybody know what a "Keely" was and the origin of the term ??
>
>Pete
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast.net>
>To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 4:59 pm
>Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Dope Wagon
>
>Doug, I just pulled the drawing (I'm compiling an index of donated
>drawings, and that one was one that I brought home).
>
>It is based on a standard Vanderbilt Wheelbarrow. 4 Wheels. It has
>details for a waste box & a packing bucket - that's why I thought it
>might be for packing "friction" bearings. There is also a packing
>iron. The wagon is enclosed, and has sloped sheets, with the packing
>buckets hanging on the side.
>
>Note that this is an official NYC drawing, and the only definition is
>DOPE WAGON. It is from the Equipment Department. If it was for soft
>drinks (which I can see a connection for some things) - it would be
>either the commissary or passenger equipment departments. The
>drawing is dated 6/28/1935, and is revision C.
>
>At 03:59 PM 3/6/2009, you wrote:
> >Bob, I have no clue what the NYC called a Dope Wagon. But apparently
> >Dope was a term used for soft drinks or carbonated beverages,
> >down south. A Dope Wagon contained soft drinks, ice, sandwiches,
> >etc. and roamed the mills or mill yards, very similar to a lunch
> >wagon or lunch cart.
> >
> >Here is one description: "I do remember seeing the dope wagon being
> >pushed across "the square" and downhill to the mill. Did you
> >ever see the fire hose carts pulled behind a pickup truck? The dope
> >wagon was very similar; had two automobile wheels, a bed maybe
> >4 feet wide and 5 or 6 feet long, with side boards maybe 6 or 8
> >inches high. Part of it was lined with tin filled with soft drinks
> >and ice. The wagon had two boards extending out one end much like
> >the old fashioned mule wagons, with a round cross bar for a
> >handle to push and guide it. It was pretty well balanced on the two
> >wheels and axle so one man could handle it."
> >
> >There was even a National Dope Company in Birmingham, Ala.
> >1909-1911. I saw one suggestion the term might be a dig at Coke.
> >
> >Now of course the NYC may have used it to move hot tar or some other
> >form of sealant around the coach yard to seal roofs, etc.
> >
> >Doug Harding
> >www.iowacentralrr.org
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>Bob Webber
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