I did a little checking in my TREASURY OF RR FOLKLORE but couldn't find any
reference there...In a 1966 piece in Railroad Magazine by the late Bill Knapke
in a list of definitions he says...."Keeley Cure"...running a hot journal on
water"....? I'm sure that the Keeley Cure is the basis for the name? "Keeley"
for a makeshift "automatic" hotbox cooler.
In that same vain many locomotives had small spigots, one located over each
truck where a hose could be attached to "doctor" a hot journal on the
tender....A close look at a good photo will show these appurtenances.
I'm going to see what else of a definitive nature I can find on the "Keeley"
Pete
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From: Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast.net>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Dope Wagon
I *think* that Keely came from a quack that started in Dekalb or
thereabouts - and had dozens if not hundreds of clinics "for the
cure". Will have to look it up (the name would be what is wrong,
there was a "doctor" involved in such a cure, from along what is now
the I-88 corridor).
At 06:43 PM 3/6/2009, you wrote:
>Archie
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>You get at least 50% credit...The keely, as I understand it, was a
>water can equipped with a hook so that it could be hung over a grab
>iron or any other protruding item on a car with a hose which could
>be extended down to the offending journal box.??
>
>As to the name my understanding is that the Keely was named for a
>long ago Water Cure for Alcoholism...Apparently? it involved
>drinking large quantities of water instead of the "fruit of the
>vine".? I believe the name pre dated any "current"? or even recent
>past railroad employee.
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>I'll check my TREASURY OF RAILROAD FOLKLORE book for confirmation....
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>The only knowledge I have of the Keely name is from reading about
>them in the old RAILROAD MAGAZINE stories.
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>Pete
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Archie <kliner@mywdo.com>
>To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 5:55 pm
>Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Dope Wagon
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>Hot box water cooler? Named for Joe Keely 3rd trick dispatcher out
>of Ottumwa? Archie
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>From: Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com
>To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Dope Wagon
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>As a former "box packer" I can say with 9944%? certainty that what
>is referred to as a "dope wagon" would have been a cart to carry the
>waste "packing" used in friction bearings...Believe it or not at one
>time that's all there was....Dope was a term used for packing material.
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>There was also a material called "dope" which was of the consistency
>of soft putty but water soluble.?When "suspended" or dissolved
>depending on your definition in water it produced an "emulsion"
>which was very slippery.?
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>When you had a hotbox...anybody remember those....which you had
>repacked or even were trying to nurse to the next setout point you
>would put the fire out with water and then pull the old packing,
>which was usually imbeded with shreds of babbit.? You would then put
>in fresh packing and shove several "rods" of this dope into the
>journal box and thow in plenty of water.? The rods looked like
>candles and were 8-10 inches long.? The rods of dope would dissolve
>in the water and make a very slick emulsion which would both cool
>the overheated bearing and provide additional lubricaton and
>hopefully you could? nurse the car to the next place you could set
>it out, or even perhaps to the next terminal.
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>The rod dope was extremely slimey and slick..Most trainmen would
>work it with their bare hands rather than with gloves on since it
>would usually ruin a pair of gloves
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>By the way anybody know what a "Keely" was and the origin of the term ??
>
>Pete
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast.net>
>To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 4:59 pm
>Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Dope Wagon
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>Doug, I just pulled the drawing (I'm compiling an index of donated
>drawings, and that one was one that I brought home).
>
>It is based on a standard Vanderbilt Wheelbarrow. 4 Wheels. It has
>details for a waste box & a packing bucket - that's why I thought it
>might be for packing "friction" bearings. There is also a packing
>iron. The wagon is enclosed, and has sloped sheets, with the packing
>buckets hanging on the side.
>
>Note that this is an official NYC drawing, and the only definition is
>DOPE WAGON. It is from the Equipment Department. If it was for soft
>drinks (which I can see a connection for some things) - it would be
>either the commissary or passenger equipment departments. The
>drawing is dated 6/28/1935, and is revision C.
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>At 03:59 PM 3/6/2009, you wrote:
> >Bob, I have no clue what the NYC called a Dope Wagon. But apparently
> >Dope was a term used for soft drinks or carbonated beverages,
> >down south. A Dope Wagon contained soft drinks, ice, sandwiches,
> >etc. and roamed the mills or mill yards, very similar to a lunch
> >wagon or lunch cart.
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> >Here is one description: "I do remember seeing the dope wagon being
> >pushed across "the square" and downhill to the mill. Did you
> >ever see the fire hose carts pulled behind a pickup truck? The dope
> >wagon was very similar; had two automobile wheels, a bed maybe
> >4 feet wide and 5 or 6 feet long, with side boards maybe 6 or 8
> >inches high. Part of it was lined with tin filled with soft drinks
> >and ice. The wagon had two boards extending out one end much like
> >the old fashioned mule wagons, with a round cross bar for a
> >handle to push and guide it. It was pretty well balanced on the two
> >wheels and axle so one man could handle it."
> >
> >There was even a National Dope Company in Birmingham, Ala.
> >1909-1911. I saw one suggestion the term might be a dig at Coke.
> >
> >Now of course the NYC may have used it to move hot tar or some other
> >form of sealant around the coach yard to seal roofs, etc.
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> >Doug Harding
> >www.iowacentralrr.org
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