I think we have an even better use. The "ICC" no longer
exists and "Orders" no longer exist. Best off without them.
Rules make much more sense now. I can assure you that there
are much less thing that can go wrong and much safer. It took
many years to get rid of all the old stuff which should have
been gone much sooner.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Cafferata" <mcaff1@htc.net>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 09 February, 2009 09:46
Subject: [CBQ] Re: Intimidation factor "the rest of the story"
> --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Jpslhedgpeth@... wrote:
>>I had a similiar experience when I was breaking in as an operator
> on the Mopac in 1970. I worked at Warrensburg Mo which was a
> college town and regular stop for all St. Louis-KC passenger
> trains. We boarded quite a few passengers, especially on weekends.
>
> I copied and prepared the orders under the watchful eye of the
> agent. He directed me to place the engineer's copy in the metal
> stand for pickup as the engine passed and hand the conductor copies
> to the train crew as they hit the platform.
>
> The engine crew snagged the orders as expected, no problems. As
> the conductor and brakeman helped folks get on and off the train, I
> waited until they were ready to go. I handed the orders to the
> brakeman instead of the conductor. Immediately, the conductor went
> nuts and began shouting. He actually held the train from departure
> until he was sure that I understood how important he was and that I
> violated the rules by giving the orders to the wrong person.
> Nevermind they were only 3 feet apart. After the train departed,
> the agent advised that the conductor was out of line and he would
> let the trainmaster know.
>
> Anyway, on each successive trip while I was on duty, he continued to
> provide rude comments regarding my training, trainor, abilities, and
> any other subject he felt he needed to comment about. Comments were
> made regardless if customers were present or not.
>
> Fast forward about 3 weeks. Mopac decided to go to mobile agents
> and the need for my services vanished. My training stopped and I
> returned the rulebooks and all materials as directed. I needed to
> get home and decided to take the train before Amtrak took over.
> Guess who was the conductor. He assumed that I still worked for
> the Mopac (the brakeman lifted my ticket) and continued to provide
> feedback regarding the incident. Other passengers were witness to
> his behavoir. I kept my mouth shut and finally he went away.
>
> As we arrived in Jeff City, the trainmaster boarded the train and
> pulled me onto the rear vestibule. He proceeded to have a frank
> discussion with me regarding the conductor's behavior. Seems that
> a passenger/employee detrained at Sedalia and alerted the agent of
> the tongue lashing I was getting in the coach. As we proceeded
> toward St. Louis, I noticed that the trainmaster and conductor had a
> lengthy and animated discussion on the rear vestibule.
>
> On my return trip, the conductor in question was again in charge.
> He was as pleasant and helpful as could be. Shortly thereafter, I
> heard he was bumped to freight train duty.
>
> Mike Cafferata
>
>
>>
>> Leo et al
>>
>>
>>
>> There was a "case" which illustrates exactly what your engineer
> was telling you that took place right in your own backyard.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it was early 1940's or so..It's on the ICC website...
>>
>>
>>
>> There was a work extra authorized to work between Montgomery and
> Wedron....probably just the local down the branch to the sand pits.
>>
>>
>>
>> He? was delayed at Montgomery by traffic on the mainlines for a
> considerable period of time....When the operator turned him loose he
> picked up orders at the tower, one of whi;ch was a "run late" on the
> Passenger Motor car coming up from Streator to the tune of an hour
> or so late maybe more....but by the time the delayed train got the
> order the Psgr was almost due on his Run late...
>>
>>
>>
>> After crossing over the local engineer was occupied with getting
> his train started, whistling for several crossings etc and by the
> time he got the order read the Psgr was due and, not only due he
> was "there" and there was a head on....
>>
>>
>>
>> After that, according to the ICC report the Q issued instructions
> that trains for the branch were not to be cleared (re train orders)
> until they were cleared to move across the mainlines and get on the
> branch.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll look the date up on this one, and post it, but it illustrates
> exactly what your man was telling you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: qutlx1@...
>> To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:08 pm
>> Subject: [CBQ] Intimidation factor "the rest of the story"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Before I tell the balance of the intimidation factor story
> concerning train
>> orders at Denrock I need to clarify one point. Most of my stories
> deal with
>> the 1970's as the Q didn't want me in '68 when I first applied. So
> it's
>> technically a BN time period story but believe me;the characters
> are all old Q
>> employees and for the most part the only thing that had changed
> was the paint
>> colors.
>>
>> Now the rest of the story..............I'm sitting on the left
> hand seat
>> looking ahead as the engineer reads the orders that I had
> delivered after
>> reading them myself. He takes awhile reading the rather thick wad
> that we had been
>> handed that day. Upon completing his study he folded them neatly
> and tucked
>> them behind the windshield wiper air line as was standard
> practice. He then
>> educated me to the fact that orders are addressed to C&E of a
> train and should
>> always be delivered to them immediately. This engineer did take
> the effort to
>> explain that the logic was based on "there could have been an
> order that was
>> for a point just east of Denrock and while you were looking at
> them I would
>> be unaware of the need to take action".
>> While this engineer and I usually got along well and I thought
> there was a
>> level of respect between us, that lecture, that basically said as
> an
>> examined(passed Condrs test but waiting for opening) brakemen with
> several years of
>> experience I still wasn't to be trusted with the first read of
> train orders
>> and knowing what to do about them,stayed with me to this day.
>>
>> **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist
> near you
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>>
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