--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Jpslhedgpeth@... wrote:
>I had a similiar experience when I was breaking in as an operator
on the Mopac in 1970. I worked at Warrensburg Mo which was a
college town and regular stop for all St. Louis-KC passenger
trains. We boarded quite a few passengers, especially on weekends.
I copied and prepared the orders under the watchful eye of the
agent. He directed me to place the engineer's copy in the metal
stand for pickup as the engine passed and hand the conductor copies
to the train crew as they hit the platform.
The engine crew snagged the orders as expected, no problems. As
the conductor and brakeman helped folks get on and off the train, I
waited until they were ready to go. I handed the orders to the
brakeman instead of the conductor. Immediately, the conductor went
nuts and began shouting. He actually held the train from departure
until he was sure that I understood how important he was and that I
violated the rules by giving the orders to the wrong person.
Nevermind they were only 3 feet apart. After the train departed,
the agent advised that the conductor was out of line and he would
let the trainmaster know.
Anyway, on each successive trip while I was on duty, he continued to
provide rude comments regarding my training, trainor, abilities, and
any other subject he felt he needed to comment about. Comments were
made regardless if customers were present or not.
Fast forward about 3 weeks. Mopac decided to go to mobile agents
and the need for my services vanished. My training stopped and I
returned the rulebooks and all materials as directed. I needed to
get home and decided to take the train before Amtrak took over.
Guess who was the conductor. He assumed that I still worked for
the Mopac (the brakeman lifted my ticket) and continued to provide
feedback regarding the incident. Other passengers were witness to
his behavoir. I kept my mouth shut and finally he went away.
As we arrived in Jeff City, the trainmaster boarded the train and
pulled me onto the rear vestibule. He proceeded to have a frank
discussion with me regarding the conductor's behavior. Seems that
a passenger/employee detrained at Sedalia and alerted the agent of
the tongue lashing I was getting in the coach. As we proceeded
toward St. Louis, I noticed that the trainmaster and conductor had a
lengthy and animated discussion on the rear vestibule.
On my return trip, the conductor in question was again in charge.
He was as pleasant and helpful as could be. Shortly thereafter, I
heard he was bumped to freight train duty.
Mike Cafferata
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> Leo et al
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> There was a "case" which illustrates exactly what your engineer
was telling you that took place right in your own backyard.
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> I think it was early 1940's or so..It's on the ICC website...
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> There was a work extra authorized to work between Montgomery and
Wedron....probably just the local down the branch to the sand pits.
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> He? was delayed at Montgomery by traffic on the mainlines for a
considerable period of time....When the operator turned him loose he
picked up orders at the tower, one of whi;ch was a "run late" on the
Passenger Motor car coming up from Streator to the tune of an hour
or so late maybe more....but by the time the delayed train got the
order the Psgr was almost due on his Run late...
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> After crossing over the local engineer was occupied with getting
his train started, whistling for several crossings etc and by the
time he got the order read the Psgr was due and, not only due he
was "there" and there was a head on....
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> After that, according to the ICC report the Q issued instructions
that trains for the branch were not to be cleared (re train orders)
until they were cleared to move across the mainlines and get on the
branch.
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> I'll look the date up on this one, and post it, but it illustrates
exactly what your man was telling you.
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> Pete
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: qutlx1@...
> To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:08 pm
> Subject: [CBQ] Intimidation factor "the rest of the story"
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> Before I tell the balance of the intimidation factor story
concerning train
> orders at Denrock I need to clarify one point. Most of my stories
deal with
> the 1970's as the Q didn't want me in '68 when I first applied. So
it's
> technically a BN time period story but believe me;the characters
are all old Q
> employees and for the most part the only thing that had changed
was the paint
> colors.
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> Now the rest of the story..............I'm sitting on the left
hand seat
> looking ahead as the engineer reads the orders that I had
delivered after
> reading them myself. He takes awhile reading the rather thick wad
that we had been
> handed that day. Upon completing his study he folded them neatly
and tucked
> them behind the windshield wiper air line as was standard
practice. He then
> educated me to the fact that orders are addressed to C&E of a
train and should
> always be delivered to them immediately. This engineer did take
the effort to
> explain that the logic was based on "there could have been an
order that was
> for a point just east of Denrock and while you were looking at
them I would
> be unaware of the need to take action".
> While this engineer and I usually got along well and I thought
there was a
> level of respect between us, that lecture, that basically said as
an
> examined(passed Condrs test but waiting for opening) brakemen with
several years of
> experience I still wasn't to be trusted with the first read of
train orders
> and knowing what to do about them,stayed with me to this day.
>
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