At 02:17 AM 12/5/2004, you wrote:
>So does anyone know which of the Walthers cars are correct for the CB&Q?
>Or if the 12-1 sleeper is correct as it is the only one released yet?
>Kai Solvei
Aside from Rick's great note on the generalities of paint schemes for
Pullmans on the Q, I don't know if anyone has answered this.
The Diner is a NYC prototype, and the paired window coach is a B&O
prototype, I'm not sure how close they'd be, you should get the Glick book
and take a peak. The 3-2 obs-lounge might be correct for some trains, but
again, I would have to check. The 14 section car would be more difficult
as in the configuration it is in (still 14 section but with A/C) the
choices would be more limited. This also goes for the 12-1 - both cars by
the time they're converted to A/C and after the divestiture are usually
seen as rebuilt into other configurations - or down graded to tourist
cars. Unusually. The 8-1-2 is likely a good car, but per Rich's note, beware.
When asking questions like this though you have to include the
date. Because a lot of information pertaining to Pullmans on Western Roads
especially are dependant on date. Also, do you have a specific train in
mind? Season? Pullman useage in the West, especially HW Pullman usage
after 1951 really changed according to the season. Seasonal changes
impacted LW trains later, for instance the consist of the CZ went from the
classic 11 cars to 13 (or more or even two sections in summer) to 8 in
winter in the late 60's.
If you want to start making sense of these HW Pullman details an essential
reference is:
Railmodel Journal, October 2004, Golden Bell Press, Branchline?s Pullman
cars, Tom Madden
Also, on the web:
Passenger Car List (Yahoo)
* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PassengerCarList
Passenger Train Consist List (Yahoo)
*
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/passconsist>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/passconsist
Passenger Car Photo Index: Pullman
* http://www.trainweb.org/passengercars/Indexes/P2.htm
Pullman Project (EXTREMELY important)
* http://pullmanproject.home.att.net/
Renssaeler Polytechnic Institute Club Passenger Car Site
* http://www.union.rpi.edu/
San Diego Model Railroad Club
* http://www.sdmrrc.org
* [Look for a PDF file of containing a passenger car modeling Clinic
and one on trucks]
In terms of books:
Wayner, Robert J. Car Names and Consists. New York: Author Published, 1963
Wayner, Robert, J. Car Names Numbers & Consists. New York:, Wayner
Publications, 1972
Wayner, Robert J. Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars, The. New
York: Wayner Publications,1985
Wayner, Robert J. Passenger Train Consists of the 1940s. New York: Wayner
Publications no publication date
Wayner, Robert J. Passenger Train Consists, 1923-1973. New York: Wayner
Publications, no publication date (circa 1980).
Wayner, Robert J. Pullman & Private Car Pictorial. New York: Wayner
Publications, no publication date
Wayner, Robert J. Pullman Company List of Cars 1950. New York: Wayner
Publications, no publication date
Note, these are reprints of Pullman lists that came out periodically, the
originals can be found as can photo copies, and they can be found from the
20's to the 60's fairly easily at trains shows)
Wayner, Robert J. Pullman Company List of Cars 1961. New York: Wayner
Publications, no publication date
Wayner, Robert J., (Edited by), Pullman Panorama ? Volume One, New York:
Wayner Publications (1967)
Of course, Glick's Books,
and the best book on any passenger train, Bulletin 42 on The Exposition
Flyer.
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