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Re: [CBQ] Rare Chinese red box car

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:17:04 +0000
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Thread-topic: [CBQ] Rare Chinese red box car
Bill:

I believe what the seller's intent was with his lengthy title for the eBay photo listing is that the photo was taken in the yard at dawn, not that the yard is named Dawn Yard.  The seller bought the images of gold 5632 from the photographer's estate and knows nothing of the area in which the three listed photos were taken.  The scene is clearly Murray Yard in North Kansas City.

Hol


From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of William Hirt <whirt@fastmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 9:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Rare Chinese red box car
 

Rupert,

This is an interesting photo but I think the location is wrong. I've now lived in the Kansas City area for over 40 years and have never heard of a "Dawn" yard on the CB&Q, BN, or BNSF. I believe this is Murray Yard in North Kansas City. The amount of motive power in the vicinity would strongly suggest this. The roundhouse would be off the lower right based on aerial photos I have. If you look close you can see the light towers that had rotary beacons as a hazard warning for aircraft landing at nearby Kansas City Municipal Airport. In the far haze appears to be the large Kansas Flour Mill complex which was a big CB&Q customer. The Missouri River is to the left or west.

Bill Hirt

On 2/21/2021 10:02 PM, Rupert Gamlen wrote:

Hol Wagner spotted an interesting feature in a photo offered for sale on eBay at BURLINGTON ROUTE CB&Q 5632 Gold 1st time offer Dawn Yd RAILROAD TRAIN Photograph | eBay

The photo is taken at the Dawn Yard in North Kansas City in 1965 and shows 5632 painted gold to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the completion of Kansas City's Union Station. Alongside it, and flanked on the other side by an F-unit, is a Chinese red boxcar. What is unusual is that this is a single sheathed box car, presumed to be a CB&Q car and possibly an XM-27 or XM-28. Neither of us can remember seeing a single sheathed box car painted Chinese red.

There
appears to be two “plates” affixed to the door of the box car. The top one looks about right for the Burlington Route herald while the lower one is deeper. Something relating to the Union Station celebrations? If this had been Havelock in 1957 or 1958, one could guess that the painting was an experiment in connection with the introduction of Chinese red.

Can anyone shed any light on this unusual scene? Does any recall any other Chinese red box cars of this type or other companies using a similar colour on freight cars in this time frame?

Hol has contacted the seller but he is unable to assist further as he was not the photographer and the quality of the photo was not very good.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


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