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Here is a drawing of a Boarding Car that I was talking about.
The 209365 car in question and the 214239 rode on some version of the No.2 passenger car truck which had a longer wheelbase than the Waycar No. 7 truck. They shared many components at least in overall design…I haven’t compared the casting numbers on drawings to see if the journal pedestals, spring seats, etc. were the same. There was also a family of six wheel trucks that were of similar design. The No. 7 truck was used on many passenger cars as well as waycars.
Attached is a cropped view of CB&Q #5350 which was a coach converted to a partially open air observation car for use in the Black Hills. It has an almost identical reinforced underframe as the 205365.
A car losing its clerestory in a rebuilding would not be out of the ordinary. The car may have been burned (not uncommon) and the frame rebuilt with a simple arched waycar-style roof rather than the unnecessary more complicated original clerestory style.
The windows being “waycar” on a car is just because the CB&Q tried to standardize on glass sizes and millwork stock. (for example, the end windows on waycars and drovers waycars were the same sash as the side windows….the “Saloon” had a standard 4-window side fixed upper sash and the other end windows were the regular lower sash.
Three window cars had the same glass in the single sash upper and lower and came in two different sizes…one overall larger than the other.
I’ve never measured any MOW equipment but their windows may have used one of the waycar glass sizes but in different multiples. The 210572 attached seems to have standard waycar size glass (smaller 3 window type) in one window arranged in 2 2over2 configuration with similar height but narrower sash which is common to MOW cars.
Yet another item to be put on the research list!!!
Charlie Vlk
Louis
I wondered at first if this was converted from a coach or baggage car but the lack of a clerestory roof makes that unlikely. Conversion from a waycar, including the removal of the cupola, seems possible especially as it appears to be riding on wood beam trucks of the type used for waycars.
Rupert
Rupert - Yes, that must be the road number. I can make out the "2" and the "5." I just found two more images in the Flickr Gallery of "stretched" 211239 that lacks a cupola. It has seven windows compared to 209365 that has five windows. Plus, it doesn't look to be as heavily constructed. I've attached the color image:
Unless Charlie says different, I'd assume 211239 was also originally constructed for use as a drovers car. It lasted long enough to be painted orange and used as a MOW camp car. Unfortunately, no other data came with the image. The Pullman tourist cars were a cut above these drovers cars - Louis
In a message dated 1/22/2021 5:42:44 PM Central Standard Time, gamlenz@hotmail.com writes:
