Re: [CBQ] 1897 Chalco incident

["Louis Zadnichek via groups.io" <LZadnichek=aol.com@groups.io>]

January 24, 2021

 

Hol - Thanks for tying-up all the loose strings on this subject. Very interesting that the was built by the B&MR and lasted up unto the BN merger if not a little longer - Louis

 

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL

 

In a message dated 1/24/2021 10:31:47 AM Central Standard Time, holpennywagner@msn.com writes:

 

The 211239 was originally built as a B&MR in Neb. engineering department camp or boarding car and had the same appearance as in its final days.  The color photo of it was taken by me at Casper, Wyo., in October 1963 when a group of us drove up from Denver to chase and photograph the 4960 in gold paint pulling an excursion honoring the 50th anniversary of the Burlington's arrival in Casper.  In its last decade (it lasted at least to the BN merger) the 211239 was a Lines West boarding car and I have seen photos of it all over the western half of the system.  I won't say never, but it was likely never used as a drovers car.  Early in the 20th century the Burlington built a good many new cars of this general type for use as company service boarding cars.  Drovers were most often simply carried in the waycar along with the train crew, or if there were too many cowboys, in a second waycar or a coach -- any available coach being used, the older the better.

 

Hol

 

 

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] 1897 Chalco incident

 

January 22, 2021

 

Rupert - Yes, that must be the road number.  I can make out the "2" and the "5."  I just found two more images in the Flickr Gallery of "stretched" 211239 that lacks a cupola. It has seven windows compared to 209365 that has five windows. Plus, it doesn't look to be as heavily constructed. I've attached the color image:

 

 

Unless Charlie says different, I'd assume 211239 was also originally constructed for use as a drovers car.  It lasted long enough to be painted orange and used as a MOW camp car. Unfortunately, no other data came with the image. The Pullman tourist cars were a cut above these drovers cars - Louis

 

In a message dated 1/22/2021 5:42:44 PM Central Standard Time, gamlenz@hotmail.com writes:

 

Louis

I think this is 209365, the subject of an earlier group discussion. Charlie Vlk noted that it was 45’ long  and weighed 60,000 lbs, surviving until scrapped in 1949. He also commented on the windows, doors and cupola as being similar to those on 28’ waycars, so perhaps this car was a waycar that had been stretched.

If this was a stretched waycar to provide drover accommodation, the 1949 scrapping date may relate to the acquisition of Pullman tourist cars in late 1947, some of which were converted to drover cars towards the end of 1948. Bulletin 25 has details of these cars on page 111.

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Zadnichek via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2021 12:28 pm
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] 1897 Chalco incident

 

January 22, 2021

 

Charlie - I've attached an image from the BRHS Flickr Gallery showing an "elongated" way car in use on a wreck train in 1940 near Princeton, IL:

 

 

Could this car have been originally constructed for use as a dover's car? Somewhere else in the Flickr Gallery there's another image of a near-identical car, except it does not have a cupola.

 

 

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL

 

 

 

 

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