Re: [CBQ] 1897 Chalco incident

["jpslhedgpeth via groups.io" <jpslhedgpeth=aol.com@groups.io>]

Tom..Did you in your "Agent-Operator days ever do a "Livestock Contract" or deal with livestock shipments.??  During my brief brakeman days there were still some stock movements and stock extras running on the Q.  The stock season would start mid August and run through the early winter.   Who knows what a MWSPU is????

Stay tuned for the answer....but let's see who has a good enough memory of those days.

Pete   

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From: Tom Nebelsick <tnebelsick@gmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2021 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] 1897 Chalco incident

Awesome contribution J Pete!

Tom Nebelsick

On Jan 22, 2021, at 11:53 AM, jpslhedgpeth via groups.io <jpslhedgpeth=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:



Dave..Your comment (sometimes called a STOCK TRAIN) answers your question regarding passengers....Those passengers riding on that or any other train carrying 'stock" were referred to as  'DROVERS"   ie Cowboys..They were men who were employed by the rancher who owned the stock being taken to market.  The "Livestock Contract" which was the "Contract for Carriage under which shipments of live animalsl moved.  It took the place of a standard "Bill of Lading"  Those contracts provided for the transportation of XX number of Drovers to accompany the stock moving in stock cars.  These men were responsible to "take care" of the 'Feed water and rest' arrangements and to keep a watch on the cattle.  Said "livestock contract" also provided for a "return ticket" for those men to return to the point of orgin.  

When just a few heads of stock were being moved those "Drovers" just rode in the Waycar..ie caboose,but in large volume shipments actual coaches, callled  "Drovers Car" were handled right ahead of the waycar for the Drovers to ride in.   Needless to say that these "vehicles" provided something "less than de luxe accomodations   and were usuallly old non AC coaches many still with stove heat.   

Also there were occasional  "Games of Chance" which took place in these cars as you might  suspect and there were more than occasional "fisticuffs" following the games of chance.   

Lots of the old RAILROAD MAGAZINE stories by authors Harry Bedwell, E S Dellinger..John Johns were replete with the antics of the "goings on" by the DROVERS.   

Since most of the train crews "back in the day"  Owned their Waycar and did not always welcome the.....in their opinion...uncivilized behaviour of the "Cow Hands"  

Thanks for the question Dave...It gave me the opportunity to "declaim" on a subject that I know a little something about.  

I'll be glad to "entertain further questions and/or comments regarding  DROVERS

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Burk <dsburkea@gmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2021 7:13 am
Subject: [CBQ] 1897 Chalco incident

Hello,

I have two questions about an incident that happened in Chalco, Neb. In late June of 1897. A passenger on a train referred to in news articles as the Burlington fast freight (sometimes called a stock train but that definitely had at least some boxcars) was shot during an attempted robbery as he got off the train.

 

Here are my questions:

1. If a person had a pass to ride a freight train, where would he or she ride? Would a freight train have a specific place for passengers?
2. For a train called a fast freight, this particular train stopped in Lincoln, then again in Ashland, and again in Chalco, then in Omaha. Why so many stops? I would have thought a fast freight would have been straight through to a destination.

 

Thanks for any help. I’m pretty ignorant about trains—working on true crime. Thanks!

DB

 

 

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