Louis and Group:
My apologies for being so slow to respond to this inquiry, but I was essentially out of circulation all last week, and this is the first opportunity I have had to catch up.
As for Q O-4s 5500-5514, they were indeed delivered as coal-burners, and with big U.S. initials on the tender and Chicago, Burlington & Quincy spelled out on the coal "boards." The engine number was lettered on the cab
sides. After the railroads were released from government control in 1921, the lettering was quickly changed to the Burlington standard, with the number on the tender and C. B. & Q. on the cab sides. The "modern" scheme with the Burlington Route herald on
the tender and the engine number and CB&Q initials on the cab sides was adopted in 1925.
Upon delivery in 1919 all 15 O-4s were assigned to the Creston Division, where they supplemented 1912 O-2s. The conversion to oil fuel began in 1923, with the work done at West Burlington and Casper. As of July 1, 1923,
the 5501, 5503, 5505, 5506, 5510, 5511, 5512 and 5514 were assigned to the Casper Division, but of those eight only five were oil-burners, the 5501, 5506 and 5512 still burning coal. They would be oil-burners by the end of 1923. The 5500, 5502, 5504, 5507,
5508, 5509 and 5513 remained on the Creston Division as coal-burners, and since the division was the one on Lines East selected for installation of automatic train control under the mid-1920s ICC edict (the Omaha Division was the Lines West selection), these
seven O-4s were all outfitted with ATC. Standard or Dupont Simplex stokers were replacing the original Duplex stokers on these engines by 1925, and all 15 O-4s were equipped with either Elesco or Worthington BL feedwater heaters during the mid-1920s.
The situation remained unchanged until 1928, and during that year engines 5507, 5509 and 5513 were converted to oil, stripped of their ATC equipment and sent to the Casper Division. During 1930 the last four Creston
Division O-4s, the 5500, 5502, 5504 and 5508, were given the same treatment and sent west. But not all four went to Casper; the 5500 and 5504 were assigned to the Sterling Division, while the 5508 went to Casper. The 5502 was leased to the FW&DC. Some shuffling
of the Casper assignments was also done during 1931, so that as of August of that year the O-4 assignments were as follows:
Casper: 5501, 5503, 5505, 5506, 5508, 5510, 5511, 5513
Sterling: 5500, 5504, 5509, 5512
FW&DC: 5502, 5507, 5514
I won't go into details of later assignments, but the O-4s remained on Lines West the rest of their Q careers and eventually were also assigned to Alliance, McCook and Lincoln.
I'm attaching five images of the O-4s in their early years: one of the 5502 at Creston in 1921 with the tender clearly showing the engine number on a patch over the U.S. initials; one of the same engine on a freight at
Hastings, Iowa, in the 1920s; one of at least five, probably eight O-4s lined up at West Burlington in 1923 awaiting shopping; and two of the 5503 as a new oil-burner pulling out of Bonneville, Wyo., with a freight in September 1923.
Hol
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November 16, 2018
Mike - That's an interesting question. Were the O-4's delivered to the Q as coal burners and then converted by the Q to oil fired, or were they delivered as oil burners. I have never seen an image of a coal burning O-4. Does anyone have an image of
a coal burning O-4 that they can share with us? I would tend to think all the O-4's were built as oil burners, but I do not really know one way or the other. May be Hol will know..... Comments, please. If the O-4's were delivered as oil burners, that rules
out any use on Lines East as there were no oil fueling facilities east of Lincoln to my best knowledge. Thus, for heavy repairs the O-4's would've been most likely sent to Denver, not West Burlington. Best Regards - Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
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Speaking of the smokebox front becoming corroded from the inside all of the O4 locomotives were built as coal burners originally. I don't think any of them ever burned lignite. I'd like to build one as delivered someday using an older Akane or Broadway
model and letter it US on the tender with CB&Q up on the side of the tender. I don't know if they were delivered like that from the USRA or not. Dave Beck, I believe, modeled an M3 2-10-2 lettered like this. I do have one of the Overland versions of the
O4 and I bought it out of pity... it hung around on eBay for days with nobody bidding on it so I grabbed it for something like $180 even though I don't do anything Lines West. I'm going to treat it as an orphan that got lost on the system that my Lines East
took into their herd!
Mike Martin
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CB&Q 5502, Creston, Iowa, 1921, Corbin-Wagner coll..jpg
Description: CB&Q 5502, Creston, Iowa, 1921, Corbin-Wagner coll..jpg
CB&Q 5502, Hastings, Iowa, 1920s, Corbin-Wagner coll..jpg
Description: CB&Q 5502, Hastings, Iowa, 1920s, Corbin-Wagner coll..jpg
CB&Q O-4s, W. Burlington, Iowa, 1923, awaiting shopping, Corbin-Wagner coll..jpg
Description: CB&Q O-4s, W. Burlington, Iowa, 1923, awaiting shopping, Corbin-Wagner coll..jpg
CB&Q 5503, Bonneville, Wyo., 9-1923 #1, H.E. High photo, Corbin-Wagner coll..jpg
Description: CB&Q 5503, Bonneville, Wyo., 9-1923 #1, H.E. High photo, Corbin-Wagner coll..jpg
CB&Q 5503, Bonneville, Wyo., 9-1923 #2, H.E. High photo, Corbin-Wagner coll..jpg
Description: CB&Q 5503, Bonneville, Wyo., 9-1923 #2, H.E. High photo, Corbin-Wagner coll..jpg
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